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  1. AlanY

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    1) the same as the current played since May this year, minus the team events. the most unfair of them all.

    2) the winner points stayed the same, e.g. for the SS

    winner = 9200
    runner up = 5520
    SF = 3312
    QF = 1987
    etc

    3) here is the best of 6 t'ments
    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD][TABLE="class: grid, width: 441"]
    [TR]
    [TD]1[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]41560[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]2[/TD]
    [TD]MAS[/TD]
    [TD]Lee Chong Wei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37320[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]3[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]26994[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]4[/TD]
    [TD]JPN[/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]24282[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]5[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]23979[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]6[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]21921[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]7[/TD]
    [TD]POL[/TD]
    [TD]Przemyslaw Wacha[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]19750[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]8[/TD]
    [TD]INA[/TD]
    [TD]Tommy Sugiarto[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]19732[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]9[/TD]
    [TD]VIE[/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]19208[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]10[/TD]
    [TD]INA[/TD]
    [TD]Alamsyah Yunus[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]18650[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    just a bit of fun.
     
  2. 2cents

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    The current Olympics points, (again). Although Chen Jin has the most number of tournaments, that's 8; but only 3 out of 8 are usable for the competion. He has to replace the rest 5 results.
    Both LD and CL have 5 good usable results. And PG has all this 7 tournaments results good for the competition of final top 4. That's the strength of PG's points.

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 320"]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]cj[/TD]
    [TD]pg[/TD]
    [TD]cl[/TD]
    [TD]ld[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9350[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11000[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12000[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8400[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8400[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7876[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7800[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7700[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7800[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6050[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7602[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7700[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6420[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6050[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6420[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7000[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6420[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5040[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6420[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3600[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4320[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4900[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6420[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4320[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2720[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]total[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50160[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]52312[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48900[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49156[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 10[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50160[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]52312[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48900[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49156[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 9[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50160[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]52312[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48900[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49156[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50160[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]52312[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48900[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49156[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]47440[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]52312[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48900[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49156[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]42540[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]45892[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]47700[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44836[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37500[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]39472[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44100[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]40516[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]31450[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]33052[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37100[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]34096[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]25400[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]25450[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]29400[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]27676[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]17600[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]17750[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]20200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]19876[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]best 1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9350[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11000[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12000[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Volatility[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2123[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1138[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3448[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2628[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Average[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6270[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7473[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6985[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7022[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Avg Dev[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1647[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]902[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2620[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1888[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    (Red is the best, green is bad)

    Unfortunately, CJ almost tails in every stats measurements. He's the worst in Best 1 to best 7 reusults. He's unluck not the worst in best 8 just because he participate 8 tournaments while others 7. Besides best results, CJ is also the worst in average points and average deviations which means CJ's performance neither strong nor stable.

    CL is in good position for the most of best results because his 3peat from China master, Japan to Denmark.

    Overall, PG's points are the most stable, and most reliable. He's got the least volatility, least average deviation while the best average points; which means PG's points are strong and stable.

    This analysis doesn't have to mean PG (with the strongest and most stable points) is a better player than CJ (with the least stable and weakest points). Actually CJ has won 1 SS, while PG hasn't. This analysis just indicates PG's performance best fit BWF ranking points system.
     
  3. 2cents

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    very interesting, could you give details on Sho Sasaki, CJ and PG. I cann't believe SS ahead of CJ and PG, since CJ won SS, while SS is just a SF. His US open title should not be more than 1/4 of SS title points.

     
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    thanks Alan, could you have a money ranking posted?
     
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    SS won the US Gold for 7000 points
     
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    i think i will give this one a miss and let someone else have a go.
    problem is price monies are not standardised, it will be a hell of a job
     
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    yeah,its not hard but still have loads of work to calculate it
     
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    That's the problem ;) You downgraded the RU, SF, QF,..., but not the GPG. Actually, winning a GPG gold is less valuable and much easier than SF in SS.

    What about
    1) set World Champ title 100 points
    2) set the SSP title 90 points
    3) all the other title points = (this minimum required prize) / ( minimum required prized for SSP) * 90
    4) calculate all the other positions.

    That's the reason you overrated all the small tournaments title holders, such as Michelle Lee. They are not good.
     
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    here it is;

    [TABLE="class: grid"]
    [TR]
    [TD][TABLE]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Chen Long[/TD]
    [TD]Lee Chong Wei[/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan[/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin[/TD]
    [TD]Peter Gade[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7000[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2520[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]907[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]7000[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2520[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]1192[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5520[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1192[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3312[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]3960[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11000[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1425[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3960[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2376[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6600[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7000[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]1200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12000[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2592[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1425[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1425[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4250[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]9200[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3312[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1987[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5520[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3312[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]9200[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5520[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3312[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]715[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1987[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3312[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]11000[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6600[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1425[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3960[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2376[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3960[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    just realised that taken away the team points LCW only had 5 t'ments
     
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    you only need to check the BWF for the minimum required prize, which should be in the same currency, not conversion needed.
     
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    sorry to point out, you overrated the GPG, it doesn't worth 7000 points at all. Change it to 3000. Thanks.

     
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    i didn't made the rules, i just follow
     
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    don't have to use the real amount of local money. Just use the minimum required money for SSP, SS, GPG. That'll be easy without conversion of currencies.
     
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    but you downgraded the RU, SF, QF,..., which makes only the titles count.
     
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    the winner for Korean Open, All England, French Open etc must have different price money.
    anyway, LCW is on now
     
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    what I meant was not use there real price money, instead, use the BWF regulation required minimum money instead, for example, $350,000 is for all the SSP. Same applies to the SS and GPG.

    Don't use the real prize, otherwise, one Korea open will dominate the ranking (Winner Lin Dan would be #1 without any competitions).
     
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    ok, give me the price monies for winner, runner up etc for PSS, SS etc
    i do it after tonight's games
     
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    Done it for the best 5 t'ments.

    PSS based on AE, SS on French Open and GPG on US Gold.
    WC is a bit difficult as no price money so I give them 50% more than AE.

    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD] [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Winner[/TD]
    [TD]Runner Up[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
    [TD="width: 56"]QF[/TD]
    [TD="width: 56"]R16[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]WC[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]39,375[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]19,950[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]7,613[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]3,150[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]1,844[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]PSS (AE)[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]26,250[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]13,300[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]5,075[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]2,100[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]1,229[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]SS (FO)[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]15,000[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]7,600[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]2,900[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]1,200[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]704[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]GPG (US)[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]9,000[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]4,560[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]1,740[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]720[/TD]
    [TD="class: xl65, align: right"]424[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    the table based on best 5 t'ments

    [TABLE="class: grid"]
    [TR]
    [TD][TABLE]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]1[/TD]
    [TD]MAS[/TD]
    [TD]Lee Chong Wei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]76100[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]2[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]70325[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]3[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]54004[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]4[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]34413[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]5[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]31788[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]6[/TD]
    [TD]JPN[/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]26550[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]7[/TD]
    [TD]INA[/TD]
    [TD]Tommy Sugiarto[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]22440[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]8[/TD]
    [TD]INA[/TD]
    [TD]Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]17740[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]9[/TD]
    [TD]POL[/TD]
    [TD]Przemyslaw Wacha[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]17550[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]10[/TD]
    [TD]VIE[/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]17150[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    It seems that most ''alternative'' scoring systems would push PG out of the top 4.
    Isn't it the top guy in BWF is Danish?
     
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    Does BWF publish players' Oly point ranking (regularly?), something similar to the World Ranking list?

    If one has the link, please share here :)
     
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