2008 China Open SS - Upsets

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  1. jhirata

    jhirata Regular Member

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    I'm very upset.. I'm coming last in the PAW draw !! :(

    Well well.. Well done to Wong Choong Hann for beating Peter Gade.
     
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    another three upset
    WCH beat Peter Gade 17-21 21-18 21-16
    Du Peng Yu beat Taufik Hidayat 22-20 21-11
    Wen Kai beat Joachim Persson 21-10 21-17
    although Wang Lin beat Xu Huai Wen
    not consider upset due to Wang Lin capability...
     
  3. robin7

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    3 of your upsets have already been included in #18.

    Thanks anyway.
     
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    Pengyu Du - Taufik Hidayat [7] : 22-20 21-11

    WS
    Jingjing Zhu - Mew Choo Wong [7] : 21-11 21-14
    Julia Pei Xian Wong - Tine Rasmussen [3] : 22-20 10-21 21-10
     
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    Ye Shen/Qing Tian - Songphon Anugritayawon/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul [8] : 21-16 13-21 21-13
    Chen Xu/Yunlei Zhao - Zhongbo Xie/Yawen Zhang [2] : 23-21 21-16
     
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    Errr, LCW is WR#1 now, so if LD lose to LCW is not upset, technically :p:p.

    Following the WR avoids arguements of , "THis is not upset, the player is in form" vs " This is upset, Player A is good, H2H show he win vs Player B most times".
    Take a look at the OG upset thread, one or two thought Maria K beating higher ranking pair is not upset, though many BCer consider it an upset.

    ANd of course, many will have different gut feelings over a match depending on who they support/like.
     
  7. robin7

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    Second Round (9)

    WS (3)
    Lin Wang - Huaiwen Xu [8] : 21-17 21-15 (Well, as far as seedings are concerned, it is!)
    Jingjing Zhu - Mew Choo Wong [7] : 21-11 21-14
    Julia Pei Xian Wong - Tine Rasmussen [3] : 22-20 10-21 21-10 :eek:

    MS (3)
    Choong Hann Wong - Peter Hoeg Gade [5] : 17-21 21-18 21-16 (What a comeback in 2nd & 3rd games!)
    Kai Wen - Joachim Persson [6] : 21-10 21-17 :eek:
    Pengyu Du - Taufik Hidayat [7] : 22-20 21-11 :eek:

    WD (1)
    Jing Xie/Qianxin Zhong -Duang Anong Aroonkesorn/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul [6] : 16-21 21-11 21-17

    XD (2)
    Ye Shen/Qing Tian - Songphon Anugritayawon/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul [8] : 21-16 13-21 21-13
    Chen Xu/Yunlei Zhao - Zhongbo Xie/Yawen Zhang [2] : 23-21 21-16
     
  8. george@chongwei

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    those upsets with :eek: smilies on it offers a lot of paw points.:rolleyes::D
     
  9. ye333

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    In fact, LD vs LCW, whoever wins is normal, not an upset.

    I would rather use "upset" in a more limited sense. If we have to use WR as a basis, then there should be some distance between the two players. For example, WR20 bt WR5, that's an upset, while it's not really convincing to say WR7 bt WR5 is an upset.

     
  10. limsy

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    ok...so...u can set some rules on upset table...then u can start to do it...^^...
     
  11. eaglehelang

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    Recent month's SS : There was a member that did not agree WR# 75 beating WR#60 was an upset.... it goes on. Some did not consider CHina stratch pairs, being new pairing, beating say WR#50, to be an upset.

    So, there'll be bound to be someone will disagree with you & say WR#20 beating WR#5 is not upset, due to such & such reason.

    If you've noticed, at times, only WR# difference above 5 is considered.
    I tried that during Denmark & France SS, didnt quite work.

    Among the top ten, WR#10 beating say WR#7 was also considered surprise if their H2H is WR#7 always beat WR#10 whenever they meet - so when we dont put it in the list, someone will come out & say "THis should be in"................ it goes on.............hard to please differing opinions ;):D - PG beating CJ in France was a surprise to many, WR#7 beat WR#3

    or better still, save energy, dont do a list ;);)........... then someone will ask(happens every time), why we didnt do an upset list........... it goes on........:rolleyes:
     
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    hmm...kak...actually...we waste ours time to do the table...search for ranking...why should ours hand works been denied???...everybody have his/her own ruler...no use to argue...we do according standard rules...then we done ours job...correct???
     
  13. pjswift

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    For comparative purposes, a measurable, non-subjective criterion like WR is still better.Otherwise there will be debates about which player is actually superior and it can be so subjective, a listing of upsets will become inconsistent.
    The WR criterion is not perfect but is probably the best way to indicate upsets.With this, upsets can be compared across different tournaments based on total number, by event, etc and can be a useful indicator of how competitive tournaments have become etc when doing trend analysis.

    All of you tracking upsets, thank you for the dligent, splendid work.You're doing great!
     
  14. limsy

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    hehe...thanks...^^...this is the neutral comment...^^...
     
  15. ye333

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    How about just list those (in your personal opinion) which are real upsets? Other people can beg to differ or add their choices. Thus the whole thread becomes a pretty complete upset list.

    I have no intention of criticizing.

     
  16. limsy

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    hmm...ok...lets start next super series...deal???...let us test weather ur suggestion really work...:)...who want to do this upset list next week???;)
     
  17. robin7

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    Firstly, before you voice out your so-called constructive insights, please appreciate the efforts out in by those come out with the thread of upsets by saying "THANK YOU" first. (pjswift, thank you for appreciating our efforts.)

    Secondly, NOBODY here forces you to accept everything listed as upsets.

    The general guideline used when listing an upset is based on World Ranking (as suggested, distance of 5 will be used next time)

    (1) The most obvious scenario is unseeded beating seeded player/pair
    (2) Lower ranked beating higher ranked player/pair
    (3) New/scratch beating higher ranked pair

    Note: Kindly be considerate by NOT simply come in the thread and start pointing out this and that not upsets. Appreciation is much needed here.
     
  18. limsy

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    actually,ye333...we do upset list base on wr...is to avoid arguement...and u suggest we to start the war on upset thread???...think again...^^...
     
  19. limsy

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    yes...i totally agree this...we lets others know upset occur by wr...other than tat...is ur own view and opinion....this is the general thread for all that VIEW THIS THREAD...;)
     
  20. robin7

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    limsy, still awake? I thought 2moro got paper? better rest early...
     

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