17th Incheon AG 2014 : Day-10 (29th September) - MS & XD FINALS

[XoXoXo]

Came accross funny picture from
excellent WD Gold Winner!

Uhuu fantastic 4 warm sweet hugs ^____^

 

[2cents]

Some interested comparison between Lee CW and Lee YD

Similarities:
1) Both are ranked world number 1 in their fields.
2) Both are regarded as most talented
3) High expectations from their fans and countries to win at AG
4) Sharing the same last name: Lee

Difference:
1) LCW can easily win against most players except LD and now CL.
LCW's LinDanPhobia;
while LYD can win against any players normally, except Championship finals.
LYD's ChampionPhobia.

 

[Fortune]

Lin Dan, the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] player in history to win all multi-year events gold medal at least TWICE (the first one was Gao Ling)


Olympics (2) : 2008, 2012

World Championships (5) : 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2013

Thomas Cup (5) : 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012

Sudirman Cup (4) : 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011

Asian Games Team Event (2) : 2006, 2010

Asian Games Individual Event (2) : 2010, 2014

 

[badrad]

LYD is still ahead one Gold over LCW.
Maybe LYD should have stuck with XD winning Gold in the '08 BOG. But sadly, MD championships have eluded him.

Some interested comparison between Lee CW and Lee YD

Similarities:
1) Both are ranked world number 1 in their fields.
2) Both are regarded as most talented
3) High expectations from their fans and countries to win at AG
4) Sharing the same last name: Lee

Difference:
1) LCW can easily win against most players except LD and now CL.
LCW's LinDanPhobia;
while LYD can win against any players normally, except Championship finals.
LYD's ChampionPhobia.

 

[Devendra]

Some interested comparison between Lee CW and Lee YD

Similarities:
1) Both are ranked world number 1 in their fields.
2) Both are regarded as most talented
3) High expectations from their fans and countries to win at AG
4) Sharing the same last name: Lee

Difference:
1) LCW can easily win against most players except LD and now CL.
LCW's LinDanPhobia;
while LYD can win against any players normally, except Championship finals.
LYD's ChampionPhobia.

Your similarity 2 is wrong. No one considers Lee Chong Wei as most talented, not even he himself. His coach (Tey Seu Bock)considers LD and LCW to be equal at skills, with Lin Dan very strong mentally. Other people (including me) consider LD to be more talented. And people do fear superior players, so LCW's fear can be attributed to that, if it is fear that's blocking him. (I doubt that). Even Rished Sidek, LCW's other coach talks very highly of Lin Dan and not only considers him to be much more talented than LCW but also the greatest in sport's history. http://www.badminton-information.com/rashid-sidek-interview.html
http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Bad...-for-top-ten-return-with-Australian-Open-win/

 

[Fortune]

Now, never ever, ever ever, compare Lin Dan, the living legend, to any player of his generation.

Lin Dan only can be compared to the other 2 MS, also from China :
Tang Xianhu and Zhao Jianhua...as the only 3 candidates to become
The Greatest MS of All Time

 

[Fortune]

only several players can win all multi-year events gold medal, and they are all from China :

Ge Fei, Gu Jun, Gao Ling, Lin Dan, and Zhao Yunlei

 

[ngkt67]

Lin Dan only can be compared to the other 2 MS, also from China :
Tang Xianhu and Zhao Jianhua...as the only 3 candidates to become
The Greatest MS of All Time

and all the best and unbeatable CHN MS players are all left handed...

 

[Fortune]

and all the best and unbeatable CHN MS players are all left handed...

unbeatable ? I'm sorry to say, I'm not agree. they are beatable...everyone is beatable (no one has 100% winning records)

 

[Fortune]

Great games!

4 years ago, China won 5 golds, Indonesia and Korea 1 respectively.

4 years later, China still got 4, Korea still 1, and Indonesia managed to grab 2!

Congratulations to Indonesia! Especially the Women's double !

Once again, Lee CW collapsed big time. Same applies to Lee YD. Both Lees are regarded the most talented in their respective categories, unfortunately neither of them won anything big.

next AG will be held in arch rival country, Indonesia. can China still become the overall winner ?

China tried hard to take the men's team pride back, but they failed once again.

it is very difficult to win the men's team in next AG...against host Ina.

 

[SibugiChai]

Your similarity 2 is wrong. No one considers Lee Chong Wei as most talented, not even he himself. His coach (Tey Seu Bock)considers LD and LCW to be equal at skills, with Lin Dan very strong mentally. Other people (including me) consider LD to be more talented. And people do fear superior players, so LCW's fear can be attributed to that, if it is fear that's blocking him. (I doubt that). Even Rished Sidek, LCW's other coach talks very highly of Lin Dan and not only considers him to be much more talented than LCW but also the greatest in sport's history. http://www.badminton-information.com/rashid-sidek-interview.html
http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Bad...-for-top-ten-return-with-Australian-Open-win/

i think physically lin dan also slightly more talented than leecw. lindan is more powerful and also slightly quicker on court coverage.

 

[Fortune]

1974 Teheran
1982 New Delhi
1986 Seoul
1990 Beijing
1998 Bangkok
2006 Doha
2010 Guangzhou
2014 Incheon


overall winner #8 for China

 

[scorpion1]

Lin Dan only can be compared to the other 2 MS, also from China :
Tang Xianhu and Zhao Jianhua...as the only 3 candidates to become
The Greatest MS of All Time

Is tang xianhu , one of chinese ws coaches? Just now searched in google and found his picture resembles one of the current chinese coaches...

 

[Devendra]

Is tang xianhu , one of chinese ws coaches? Just now searched in google and found his picture resembles one of the current chinese coaches...

Dude, he is widely considered one of the most accomplished coaches in the world, the secret behind players like Lin Dan, Zhang Ning, Cai/Fu etc. Even Lee Chong Wei went to ask for tips from him while in china playing in the China Badminton League. Not only this, as the commenter posted above, he was an exceptional player during his career, but could not participate in international tournaments often due to international isolation (politically) of the People's Republic of China. Some consider him a candidate for the best 'thing' ever.
You can find more articles here:
1. http://www.badmintoncentral.com/for...g-Xianhu-The-Thing-(Is-He-The-Greatest-Ever-)
2. http://www.xbadmintontricks.com/2010/07/who-is-tang-xianhu/

 

[Justin L]

Your similarity 2 is wrong. No one considers Lee Chong Wei as most talented, not even he himself. His coach (Tey Seu Bock)considers LD and LCW to be equal at skills, with Lin Dan very strong mentally. Other people (including me) consider LD to be more talented. And people do fear superior players, so LCW's fear can be attributed to that, if it is fear that's blocking him. (I doubt that). Even Rished Sidek, LCW's other coach talks very highly of Lin Dan and not only considers him to be much more talented than LCW but also the greatest in sport's history. http://www.badminton-information.com/rashid-sidek-interview.html
http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Bad...-for-top-ten-return-with-Australian-Open-win/

Dude, he is widely considered one of the most accomplished coaches in the world, the secret behind players like Lin Dan, Zhang Ning, Cai/Fu etc. Even Lee Chong Wei went to ask for tips from him while in china playing in the China Badminton League. Not only this, as the commenter posted above, he was an exceptional player during his career, but could not participate in international tournaments often due to international isolation (politically) of the People's Republic of China. Some consider him a candidate for the best 'thing' ever.
You can find more articles here:
1. http://www.badmintoncentral.com/for...g-Xianhu-The-Thing-(Is-He-The-Greatest-Ever-)
2. http://www.xbadmintontricks.com/2010/07/who-is-tang-xianhu/

Thanks for the links, highly interesting and informative, esp the Rashid Sidek's honest and revealing interview as well as The Thing's profile.

 

[Cinetti]

Lin Dan only can be compared to the other 2 MS, also from China :
Tang Xianhu and Zhao Jianhua...as the only 3 candidates to become
The Greatest MS of All Time

The list of MS all time great would not be complete without Yang Yang.

 

[kruntil]

Tang Xianhu (chinesisch 汤仙虎, * 13. März 1942 in Bukit Kemuning, Indonesien, ursprünglich Thing "The Thing" Hian Houw bzw. Tong Sin Fu) ist ein ehemaliger chinesischer Badmintonspieler und ein aktueller Trainer der chinesischen Badmintonnationalmannschaft.
Karriere

Thing Hian Houw wurde in Indonesien geboren und wuchs in Jakarta auf. Er war einer der führenden Juniorenspieler Indonesiens. Danach war er von 1961 bis 1979 als Wettkampfsportler in China aktiv. 1963 gewann er die Einzelwertung bei den Games of New Emerging Forces, 1966 bei den Asian Games of New Emerging Forces. Von 1965 bis 1975 war er bei den National Games in China sowohl im Einzel als auch mit dem Team ungeschlagen. Tang Xianhu konnte bei den Asienspielen 1974 zwei Bronzemedaillen gewinnen. Eine gewann er im Doppel mit Chen Tien Hsiang, die zweite im Mixed mit Chen Yuniang. Vier Jahre später gewann er bei der gleichen Veranstaltung die Mixedkonkurrenz mit Ling Changai und holte Silber im Doppel mit Lin Shinchuan. Nach seiner aktiven Zeit als Spieler begann er eine Trainerlaufbahn. Von 1987 bis 1998 trainierte er das indonesische Nationalteam, danach das chinesische.

2002 wurde er in die Badminton Hall of Fame aufgenommen. Als Trainer der chinesischen Badmintonnationalmannschaft nahm er 2000 und 2004 an den Olympischen Spielen teil und führte Ji Xinpeng zu Olympiasieg.

Xianhu Tang (Chinese 汤仙虎, born March 13, 1942 in Bukit Kemuning, Indonesia, originally Thing "The Thing" Hian Houw or Sin Tong Fu) is a former Chinese badminton player and current coach of the Chinese badminton team.
career

Thing Hian Houw was born in Indonesia and grew up in Jakarta. He was one of the leading junior players of Indonesia. After that, he was from 1961 to 1979 as a competitive athlete active in China. In 1963 he won the individual competition at the Games of New Emerging Forces, 1966 at the Asian Games of New Emerging Forces. From 1965 to 1975, he was unbeaten in the National Games in China in both the individual and the team. Tang Xianhu won two bronze medals at the Asian Games in 1974. One, he won the doubles with Chen Tien Hsiang, the second in mixed doubles with Chen Yuniang. Four years later he won at the same event the Mixed competition with Ling Changai and won silver in the doubles with Lin Shinchuan. After his playing days as a player he began a coaching career. From 1987 to 1998 he coached the Indonesian National Team, then the Chinese.

He was inducted into the Badminton Hall of Fame in 2002. As coach of the Chinese National Badminton 2000 and 2004 he took part in the Olympic Games and led Ji Xinpeng to Olympic victory.

Tang Xianhu aka Tong Sinfu aka Fuad Nurhadi.

 

[FeatherBlaster]

unbeatable ? I'm sorry to say, I'm not agree. they are beatable...everyone is beatable (no one has 100% winning records)

Well, LD comes close.

This year, he's now 27-1 (96+%). Only defeat to Jan O J, at a time where Jan O was probably playing the best so far in his career (before he got injured at the WC).

And it's not like he hasn't played any top opponents.

Such a shame that LYB effectively prohibited LD from playing the World Champs - it must have felt sooo good for LD beating CL in the AG final, for this very reason. CL seems like an overall very nice and sympathetic guy - but from LD's point of view, this match was important in regards to his struggles with the CBF, it's politics and LYB in particular. CL was "their man on court".

MAYBE the BWF decision of not granting LD a wildcard, just could turn out to be a wise decision, putting some much needed pressure on CBF to start re-thinking their view on the sport. I know there are quite a lot of cultural difference at stake here between the countries, but it seems that CBF/LYB needed a slap over the wrists to get the ball rolling. Honestly, in the long run, it could ultimately ruin our sport - at least get it removed from the olympics, if we don't take it seriously. Again at the WCs we saw China vs. China matchups which was predetermined and didn't play out fair for all players. At the freaking WC! Not good for our sport.

The way forward, ultimately, is to move the sport into a direction where it will be more of an individual sport, and considered less of a team sport. National federations should not have the ultimate control of individual players participating in individual championships - like they do now.

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Anyway, congrats to LD for showing that he is indeed back, and for winning an important match against CBF/LYB.

 

[FeatherBlaster]

CBA, not CBF. Sorry.