No matter what LM has said, no matter the line judge is favoring LHI or now, LD just can't throw his racquet. This is not ice hockey. He needs to be suspended.
Hmm.. ...even if LiMao did what he needed to do as a coach, was LiMao's actions and what he said justifiable in the heat of the moment, also?; even prior to him and LD going almost "mano-a-mano"??....Wouldn't it be wiser for him to be calmed, sit still and avoid putting himself in the spotlight?? About the comment that "The CHN coaches understand this better as LYB also did the same thing", can you enlighten us w/some incidents which LYB might've also done the same?? Or are you referring to the "LYB's blurting out 'break-his-leg' comments with LCW"??...If it's the latter, IMO, they could be, arguably, the same; but, IMO, it's different in that in this case LiMao actually got up from his seat and got himself an exercise by getting himself involved in something he was not directly related with (e.g. yelling, screaming at the umpire->then @ LD)..
on the controversial comment by LYB's 'break his leg', technically, he was talking to BCL, and technically not to LCW. Correct me if I'm wrong but this occurred during a break period where a coach can give instruction to his player. There is no BWF law govern what LYB can say to his players. Therefore, there is a huge difference between LiMao confronting LD and LYB yelling at BCL.
This was what LYB reportedly said in interview, not said constantly behind a players back while the player tried to play in a SS MSF or to the face of a player. LM was trying to provoke to LD with his words and actions. Please make a distinction in comparing a live situation to an interview afterward
Based on my reliable source... Li Mao INITIALLY did stood up from his chair. But he didnt walk to the umpire. He was still at his chair. Probably move one or 2 steps thats all. Later he did move more after LinDan threw his racket. Besides the Break his leg comment from LYB. He did infact shouted to the umpires and even CHIEF Umpire during China Open and some others tournament. Of course it was not publicised since it was not shown on tv due to the matches was not shown on tv.
Herein lies the problem. BWF's regulations regarding coaching interference is so full of holes that any tom **** and harry can violate it and still get away with it. It's almost as though they couldn't afford a lawyer/consultant to help them draft air tight regulations so they did it themselves... and didn't think everything through carefully. And all they do now is patch it up and patch it up–all makeshift solutions. You can only put so many fingers in a leaking dyke before the pressure eventually breaks it down. BWF really need to overhaul how they govern the game and handle situations like these. Frankly, it's embarrassing for me as a badminton player and only perpetuates badminton as a mickey mouse sport.
Totally agree with you that LM has no justification to use his tactic in the match to help LHI. A baddy competition should be played by the players, what business he had to talk behind LD while LD was playing and trying to concentrate? and to stand up and to move forward when LD talked to umpire? What a disgrace to baddy coachers
Anaheim WC05 - MSSF, LD vrs PG, LYB walked to umpire and caused a similar fiasco with Den coach intervening.
These things that involve coaches is not an umfamiliar sight. Other sports have the same problem as well that involve coaches too. I guess its spice up the game. If not it will be too boring and we will not have anything to talk about.
Okay.. ..i think we need to have our event back in here to give us his insights and his first-hand account..indyko and Alphonse already shared their LIVE accounts of the incident; just need to read event's account as he was basically sitting the closest to the action (i know he already wrote what happened on the badzine website).. ..hmm, i guess after sitting down and taking 4 over-ruled calls, LiMao had an itch to.......................stand up and be seen.. I guess in a way, he (and his assistance) might've been at the wrong time and wrong place, when LD hurled his racket. IF he had sat down at the back end of the court, instead @ the side of the court, he might've not taken the racket hurl to the extreme (and walked back towards the umpire).. As for LYB simply shouting to umpires/court officials, my thought is the same and same w/cooler's.. ..oh yeah, that one i remember...Boy, luckily nothing went further during that fiasco..
Never heard of such comments blaming player for not turning the cheeks, while at the same time, allowing a rouge coach a free hand to pull all dirty tricks for a win in MSF KO 08 That's extract LM trying to do and did, taking advantage of the situation to help his losing player in MSF KO 08 ZB was merely trying to block an advancing mad coach LM, who in turn gave ZB a slap to the chest I don't see any mentioning what LM needed to do here, why? Was just LD involved all by himself LD was provoked into the fight if you got all the facts straight
..oh yeah, that one i remember...Boy, luckily nothing went further during that fiasco..[/quote] I was in attendance at the Pond watching WC05, LD-PG match was the best of the SF, even better than the MSF. This KO08 LD-LM incident tops it all with all the chilli powder and spices thrown in....
I was in attendance at the Pond watching WC05, LD-PG match was the best of the SF, even better than the MSF. This KO08 LD-LM incident tops it all with all the chilli powder and spices thrown in....[/QUOTE] Yup i agree. Would really want to see some fighting on court. .
I heard Li Mao spoke some sentences in Korean players.....not sure he is fluent or not... One interesting culture of Korean players, before and after the matches, Korean players has to go to see and bow to Their Team manager before and after playing....... For your information..when Kor MD walked out the match in CO 07, The team manager who happenned sat behind us....just told one sentence to Ha Tae Kwon...suddenly all KOR players left the stadium and came back 3 hrs later...I heard that KOR team was prepared to pull put all events then decided not....
I saw some posts that some BCers blame BWF for letting the coaches sitting next to the court... I have to disagree ( Sorry Kwun) The idea of putting the coaches next to the court: a. This idea had been requested by BWF members so BWF passed it after geeting votes/approval. b.Also the idea is to make the games more interesting..especially if a player goes Blank and play badly so the coach can guide and fight more... It is hard to punish the coaches that said something bad to the opponents...like LYB to LCW or LYB said to Zhang Ning when she played Firdasari...that set was tight and LYB said" how come you lose to that STUPID player?..luckily Firda did not understand Chinese...is that necessary that LYB has to say other players " stupid"??? think of it...unfortunately what LM said something to LD will not be punishable....will be He said and he said...no proof....
A bit off topic-About.. ..well, that could be said for many players also, not just Sony.. ..the idea of coaches being able to sit next to court, i believe most BCers knew about that..What a few or some of us were wondering is the location of the coaches' seat during the KO MS Final (maybe even throughout the entire Finals). Usually, from what we saw, the coach(es) would sit on the back end of the court/behind his/her player(s). But not in this particular instance. Thus, perhaps, it was an unexpected incident and LiMao (and his assistance) were in the wrong place at the wrong time. ..about LYB commenting to players, again like what cooler wrote, there's no specific rule in BWF which prohibits coaches from talking to his/her charges/players (in LYB's case, he was talking to BCL and ZN). Whilst in this particular case, it's slightly different. IMO, LM (as the elder person in the incident) should've promoted peace and shouldn't have made the additional comments to LD (intentionally or unintentionally), which in turn provoked LinDan even more. About what LYB actually said (in the past) and if they were "punishable or not", i think we can discuss abt that in a different thread.
He just want to know the winner and whats really happening...I am sure when INA team arrived last nite, he will be busy asking the other players for more complete story...told him to ask INA coaches/Flandy/Alvent....