In the modern world of spin and deceit, if you say something often enough (no matter how stupid) it is assumed that it can be taken as the truth.
No, this is not I mean. It all depends on what is involved. Re your work, if you deliver the goods you can probably convince your boss. Problem solving has nothing to do with studies per se. A problem is merely a deviation from a standard. Just identify and quantify the deviation, develop a range of solutions, apply and then monitor.
No, it was not my intent to double post. It just happened because my computer was not sending out my post, so I had to try a few times. Maybe the last two tries were successful, but I was not even aware that it finally went through.
Underarm strokes always are defensive strokes; they give your opponent the opportunities to attack. Service strokes; whether they are forehand, backhand are underarm defensive strokes. As a coach; you teach your students where to place the shuttlecock in positions that would weaken your opponent’s attack, and thus allowing you to counter attack and taking the control, and you emphasis to them if you go on to win the rally you are rewarding with a point and continue to serve! You also teach your students how to dictate and taking initiative to launch your attack when you are receiving a serve. And you stress to them that if you go on to win the rally, you are rewarding with an opportunity to win a point by winning the right to serve. That is badminton! It is a very fair gentleman game since such a long distant past. Of course; you do not teach this essential to the beginners. It is too philosophical as they will likely question why 1st move of a rally in Badminton is always restricted to defensive move in contrast to other racket games, example Tennis? (Well Michael Chang did win French open with underarm serve. I will reply…not an answer but who cares) Coming back to 3x21, there are many good and valid points in this thread.Congratulation and well done to all of us. If only IBF could do likewise. I like to repeat what I have said before that 3x21 has removed the essential of the game, i.e. serve to win point! The main effect of that it has become a shorter game than 3x15 (I cannot help thinking that someone has tried so hard to shorten the game that without realising it has removed the essential of the game instead; well how many people do know that there is no 1st attack in Karate anyway?) Some of the questions that I think we (as a coach or player) could ask are Will a shorter game make badminton more challenging to play? Will a shorter game change the way we play? Will a shorter game change the way we train? Will a shorter game in favour certain types of player? Will a shorter game making certain strokes obsolete? Will a shorter game encourage the development of new strokes? These are the examples for the event administrator and organiser to address Will a shorter game make badminton more exciting to watch? Will a shorter game make badminton more TV friendly? But do we really have to ask, like Will a shorter game prolong a professional player’s career? It is for sport medicine specialist to analyse if playing 3x15 competitively from age 8 till age 35 could seriously damage your health! P.S Whenever you want to introduce a new product to a target Market You would choose the best in class method of New Product Introduction. May be I should apply for a Job as New Production Introduction Director in IBF after all I could reuse my past vast experiences in this field in Badminton instead!
yeah, i guess you could play that face card... but it's better to save face cards for when it really matters...
OK lets put it this way, did you guys start playing 21x3 in your game yet? because we always argue professional player comment. Why don't we try it ourself? how? any comment on this?
Yeah, I have. Plenty, in fact, even before it was suggested by IBF. It is not evil in and of itself. It has its uses and it has its place. But that use is not in tournaments, and that place is not as the primary system that defines badminton. However, must admit that I have never managed to successfully play doubles this way -- always get confused in the middle, losing my place, the score, and for all I know, even my serve. It is getting increasingly hard to find players who are willing to try it though, because of the backlash against this damfool IBF dictat.
There has to be studies. When you state facts, such as athletes will last longer AKA have a long badminton lifespan, or that shorter rallies will generate more revenue thourgh increased TV audiences or what not. Hard facts like this need research to back it up. It also takes leadership the guide an organziation to an actual direction. The last decade of badminton has not been guided well. If we keep on switching, testing, different scoring system, it does not bode well to the public. Sufficient time. From my knowledge, this 21 point rally system, started late last year, and is ending soon. A period of just over 6 months, from my point of view, is not a long enough trial to actually change such a major aspect of this sport. wun.sun
Agreed. No matter how good the service is in badminton, it is an underarm stroke. Players create their opportunities by forcing the opponents playing underarm strokes (i.e. lifting). Too bad some people are using erroneous tactical concepts to justify their reasons. Care to explain this point, I am curious. Are you referring that karate is never the first aggressor but defending and then counter-attack? IBF should really consider hiring you as their consultant.
Then again, IBF to reach the conclusion that 21 points rally will solve all TV broadcasting, financial sponsorships, audience levels does not need any studies. If it goes wrong, no problem, just implement another scoring system. If this is a working model of 'thinking outside the box', well I have to agree that it surely save them a lot of money. And also they didn't have to know what was in the box either - was there any box by the way?
Agreed. No matter how good the service is in badminton, it is an underarm stroke. Players create their opportunities by forcing the opponents playing underarm strokes (i.e. lifting). Too bad some people are using erroneous tactical concepts to justify their reasons. Care to explain this point, I am curious. Are you referring that karate is never the first aggressor but defending and then counter-attack? IBF should really consider hiring you as their consultant.
hey viver... to continue playing to the inane palaver is a waste of your time, time better spent with your family.
Hello All, I just found this from the Malaysian's News “The Star” dated 30-April-2006. IBF will decide on scoring feature on May 6 THE rally scoring format is here to stay. But whether it will be shortened to 11 and 15 points or extended to more than three games remains to be seen. The International Badminton Federation (IBF) will decide on the scoring feature during their annual meeting (AGM) on May 6 in Tokyo. Denmark's chief coach Steen Pedersen said the running scoring under the new scoring format (21x3) was favoured but they hoped to see some changes before a final decision was made. “The players like the idea of not having the service but the current 21x3 may not be suitable. The excitement is short and the match is long. “If a player takes a 19-12 lead, it is almost impossible for the other to catch up and ther excitement dies out. “But the ties can take up to three hours to be decided.” “Table tennis no longer use this 21x3. They are currently using the 7x11 scoring format. That creates more excitement and the matches can end faster,” he said. Pedersen's only disappointment over the scoring format was the IBF's failure to get the feedback from the players. “A decision will be made soon and unfortunately, the players' opinions have not been sought at all,” he said. “That's a pity. They would have been the best people to get feedback from.” Pedersen however, was happy with the Danes' ability to cope well under the 21x3, currently being used at the ongoing Thomas Cup Finals. In the China Masters in March, Peter Gade-Christensen and Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen emerged as the men's singles and men's doubles champions.
Taufik Hidayat opposes new scoring system Olympic, world champion opposes new badminton scoring system 12 minutes ago SENDAI, Japan (AFP) - Olympic and world badminton champion Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia has joined Chinese stars to oppose the new scoring system being tested at the Thomas and Uber Cup in Japan. "I don't like it. I don't understand why the IBF (International Badminton Federation) always tries to change the rules," said the 25-year-old Indonesian after playing his first match in six weeks Saturday following an injury layoff. "Under the new format, there's not an exciting situation and spectators also do not like it. The game has become monotonous. "Previously they tried to introduce a seven-point system. Why can't they stick to the same rules like tennis? Of course, sponsors and television are important, but they should also think about players," added Hidayat. The IBF has been testing a new scoring system, using a 21-point rally scoring format to make the game shorter and more exciting. IBF deputy president Punch Gunalan has said: "Change is necessary. We want to make it a sport that is orientated towards family entertainment and is media- and player-friendly." "At present, under the 15-point system, no one knows how long it will take the game to finish. If it is agreed, it will become a permanent feature." Under the new format, a point is awarded for a rally won and whoever scores the point holds service. For the doubles, the winner of a rally holds service but there will be no second server. If the IBF approves the format at its annual meeting in May in Tokyo, it should be adopted for all tournaments including the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing. China's Zhang Ning and Xie Xingfang, the top two female singles players in the world, have also criticised the new scoring system during their defence of the Uber Cup. "The duration of a match in the women's singles has become longer. Even if you have a weak opponent, it doesn't become shorter and you need more physical strength. I'm against it," said Xie. Athens Olympic gold medallist Zhang agreed, saying: "You have to keep your concentration longer and it's physically tougher regardless of your opponent. I feel a match has become longer than before."
Please show the statistics. Moreover, how could you actually user this statistics to show that server is at 'advantage'. You need to realize that if a good player plays against a losier one, of course the whole world will see the good one will win most of the times when he serves. As I always say, both in single and double service, the better you serve, the only thing you are actually doing is reducing the risk of being attacked, no matter how well you serve, you are always in 'defensive' mode.
Superb information! This should open eyes to many as it did to me... Makes perfect sense to me now, that old scoring system IS better. It's similar to volleyball, where the one receiving the ball is at advantage because of building an attack... At tennis it's on contrary though, a good serve brings you advantage... Though I'd add, that defense got better with new scoring system in volleyball, and that games are indeed more interesting and exciting with new scoring system! Also, at first everyone thought it would be worse, but not anymore.... Cannot really tell what will happen in badminton though...
Seems like some professional players have express their dislike for the new rally system. Hopefully, IBF is not stubborn about ratifying the new system. http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2006/5/1/sports/14115962&sec=sports
