Euro E-1000 Review

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  1. TheGr8Two

    TheGr8Two Regular Member

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    Being off spec means not meeting specifications. And that includes product failures by definition. Structurally off-spec is more important than your so called relative off-spec to a player's previous racket. If a car manufacturer claims that the car has a 200 hp engine, but you find out it really is 195hp, would you accept that?

    I'm not saying the racket has is necessarily as off-spec as my examples :rolleyes: But certainly a few grams difference in the head of the frame can give a racket completely different feel.

    Who are you to say buyers can't tell the difference from off-spec rackets? Why would you say that you know that some of your rackets are off-spec, and then say other people can't tell?;) I'm pretty sure not all QC will be stringent on specs, especially if they think like you and assume that buyers can't tell an off-spec racket. Even if they don't, they still have to decide if it will cost them too much to fix the racket the racket to be on spec, and I wouldn't trust anyone completely.

    Case #3: If your workplace uses Windows, and you need to to work from home, are you going to be able to open your files from Linux? What if the software you use isn't available for Linux? Most hardware is guaranteed to work in Windows, and there may not be support for Linux. There are plenty of reasons to use Windows despite its flaws. As long as I know how to keep it running smoothly, it isn't a problem. Besides, how often does Windows XP crash? Perhaps if your machine was infected with malicious software, then it would. If Windows XP crashes often, I wouldn't tolerate it, but as it stands, Windows does what I need it to do, without giving me problems. Do I endorse Windows? No, it's poorly designed in terms of security. Is it feasible to run Linux? Only for someone who's willing to give in time to learn to configure Linux and the equivalent applications. Windows is easier to use. If we don't use Windows, we really don't have much choice on what to OS to use, whereas if I don't use a particular racket, there are many manufacturers and models to choose from.

    Just because some people believe there is difference between SP, JP and CN/CP does not mean is actual difference. And suppose there were differences. Would you pay the same price for CN/CP as SP and JP if CN/CP were off-spec? Those buying CN/CP rackets probably know that they are off-spec and are willing to accept to them at lower price, but it doesn't not mean everyone else is willing to accept that.

    A lot of people buy Yonex because it has a good reputation. There's a lot of evidence that most reviews are consistent about the performance about any given racket. There are exceptions because some rackets aren't suitable for some players, but generally, those who buy Yonex agrees about the performance.

     
  2. cooler

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    i already had defined the range of off spec parameters to be debated,

    cooler: "imo, all this talk about off spec rackets (off spec in term of balance pt, weight, etc and not structural defect) are smoke and mirror to cover up racket short comings or to confuse buyers."

    throwing the iso9000 book on me is pointless and useless. I chose to narrow the discussion pertaining to taneepak recalling off spec rackets attributing to poor performance of e-1000. I'M NOT NOT TALKING ABOUT BREAKAGE OF E-1000 DUE TO OFF SPEC. If u can't even get by this first part of my post, don't bother to throw me all your other useless and senseless remarks of your.

    after speed reading your last post, every point u made is groundless or wishy washy and not worth my time to even rebuke them. Not is the same league pal.
     
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    got cheated in:( :( :( , I tot Euro 1000 note review :D :D :D
     
  4. DinkAlot

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    Agree. :p But OT is good, sometimes. :D
     
  5. DinkAlot

    DinkAlot dcbadminton
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    Wooo-Hooo! OT Time! ;)

    Don't tell Kwun or Cheung, they might slap me on the wrist. Hey, I'm on-topic now, wrist. People, ideally, you need a strong and explosive wrist to play badminton well. :p :D :D :D :D
     
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    Agree. Eepak: you cannot optimize Cooler's racket without knowing how he plays, what he plays and what he prefers. Please don't get me wrong, I'm confident if you had this information, you could optimize a racket for Cooler but without any of that info, you would just be guessing. :)
     
  7. Jumpalot

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    1) After reading all these posts, I just want to know what in the world is OFF Spec? I mean what are the specifics in terms of weight, length, Balance point, stiffness of these Vectran rackets? What is the level of tolerance allowed for these rackets in order to be classified to be ON Spec? For example, if a racket is off by 1g in weight, is that classified as OFF spec by QC or Taneepak. I am just trying to figure out the level of precisions here so I can make a better judgement whether the OFF spec rackets are indeed OFF spec which would legitimately affect the review of the racket and ultimately would affect the overall performance originally intended by the designer or just slightly off and not really meaningful in terms of making a difference in performance.


    2) In terms of SPEC- IF the % of OFF specs in the market are much greater than ON specs than doesnt the OFF spec rackets now becomes the ON spec racket? And at the same time the ON spec now becomes the OFF spec ? Another words, if the OFF spec racket consists of say 95 % of the rackets being shipped out for sale than doesnt that become the official spec that an end user would expect to buy in the open market ? What is % are we talking about here? All this talk about adjusting rackets to become ON Spec really sounds like the ON Spec % is less than 5 to 10 %. I am just making up numbers here but this is just my impression from reading these posts and I am sure the % is much different from reality.


    3) I see what cooler is talking about especially when one claims that one is capable of improving the performance of a stranger's top racket which that player already likes without even interviewing that players playing style and racket preferences is hardly logical. After all, its not debatable that everyone knows that everyone have different physical built and swinging techniques and footworks. Just listing a few on top of my head, some players have more muscle than others thus requiring a slower swinging speed than those that dont have as much muscle to generate the same speed in a smash. Some might have more muscle in their forearm while others have more muscle in their shoulders and triceps. Some players have larger hands and some with smaller hands thus have different requirements in grip sizes. Some players swings with their whole arm while others prefer to generate power from just using their wrists which may results a different need for stiffness and head-heavyness. Some people generate power using the whole body while some only generates power from just the arm. Some players can tolerate a great change in rackets specs while some cant which explains why some players can use any racket while some players cant. The point is , there is an incredibly wide range of people out there that plays badminton!!!! We are dealiing with humans playing badminton, not some machine or software thats designed or programed to play badminton. I truely find it difficult to accept that one could just take any racket and make it better without first finding out more about that player and his playing style. If it were really that simple, than its easy to argue that there is only one perfect racket with one perfect set of specs for badminton. Everything else that doesnt meet those specs are OFF Specs. By the way, if you can believe that than you are the perfect consumer that every major corporation is trying to target to buy their products. But I sincerely hope that everyone will see that obviously there isnt a perfect Spec racket for badminton and there will never be that racket for the simple reason that everyone is different.

    PS. the fact that every major brand offers a variety of models with different weight, stiffness, frame design, racket length, grip sizes and even racket color seems to prove my point that different people need different rackets to play at their best.
     
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  8. DinkAlot

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    Holy cow! After jumping a lot and hitting that buffet line, I was sure you were asleep. :p

    Agree on your P.S. but I still think the DiaNmond Fighter is the perfect racket for me. At least today it was, and for you too. :D
     
  9. Jumpalot

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    Well, after having 5 glasses of Orange Coke and then Orange ice tea its really hard to go to sleep LOL :crying:

    By the way, its DIAMOND FIGHTER!!! NOT DIANMOND FIGHTER.... You got to polish up your spelling ??!!?? ha ha ha.. its an INSIDE JOKE :) and no, I am not giving Dink a hard time. He is quite good with spelling.
     
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    LMAO! You want me to post a picture? :D :D :p :p :p :p

    Regardless, I love that racket! :D :D :D
     
  11. Jumpalot

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    LMAO !!!!! We should put you on the staff soon or Dianmond fighters would be sold every where in the world LOL.

    Oh Ya, it was a good night full of good smashes with that racket. I mean anytime you can feel comfortable smashing from the baseline is to be treasured, but finishing rallies with a strong smash against great defensive players is just priceless :)
     
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    But that as only the 2nd game. The 3rd, who's yer daddy? All we had to do was hit to Junior and not lift to you. :p :D :D
     
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    lol. The caffeine is finally starting to wear off. Why you got to mention the 3rd game? I was still enjoying my high !! LOL.
     
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    It's my job to rub it in. ;) On other note, back to topic, I challenge Eepak's E-1000 vs. my DiaNmond Fighter to a smashing contest. I bet my DiaNmond Fighter will out smash the E-1000. :p :D
     
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    Base on your original definintion
    cooler: "imo, all this talk about off spec rackets (off spec in term of balance pt, weight, etc and not structural defect) are smoke and mirror to cover up racket short comings or to confuse buyers."

    You are saying off spec=racket short coming/structural defect, and NOT balance point, weight, etc, because its just smoke and mirror. That is totally wrong and confusing to people, and I wanted to point that out originally, but wasn't sure if you really meant what you wrote. The example you gave about SOFTWARE QC has minimum similarity to MANUFACTURING QC. I don't know what field you're in, but I doubt you have much dealing with quality control/testing in either software nor manufacturing sector. We have QC for a reason, but by your definition, it seems like we don't need it.


    I am indifferent to what you or EePak say about the E1000. All I'm concern with is your logic behind your initial arguement, especially in a field that I'm very proficent in, which just happens to be QC in manufacturing. I don't know why you get so frustrated all the time. Not everyone know everything in the world. That's why I keep my mouth shut most of the time and only comment on things I do know a great deal about.
     
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    We are talking about "one" single product and the way it is QCed. And how its design spec (on and off) affects its performance(or lack of). We're not arguing about people with different playing styles and defferent preferences for weight, BP, and shaft stiffness, at least I'm not.


    Off spec= any deviation from the production design specifications. Depending on the type of application the product is used for, tolerances are given by either the design or production engineers. Customers usually only concern with the functionality of the end product, trusting the product has been properly made.
     
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    I agree, how cooler defines off spec is wrong. And to limit discussion to your definition is artificial. You may not care whether a racket is not QCed against design measurements, but other people do. Never did I mention breakage due to off spec either, so you have made a false argument. What I'm saying is that racket measurements that are off spec affects performance. Don't argue with me, I've had enough of your silly arguments and definitions. :rolleyes:



     
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    Mods close and delete this thread. It's getting pointless.
     
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    It's great reading material though :cool:. Good way to kill time. Now can we get back on topic and someone review the damn E-1000? I want it compared to some top dog yonex rackets!

    Maybe i should shut up before I get drag into this quagmire....although i do side with outlah and company on this matter. I mean, if we do not care about off-spec and base it all on personal preference, we might as well be reviewing "e-1000 a" and "e-1000 b".

    ...Uh-oh, i sense debate =)
     
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    the difference in this case is that the intended buyers do not have 'their on spec' parameters defined beforehand nor had they given any desired factory spec to taneepak when they order e-1000 from taneepak. They order it with a general idea that e-1000 as a light racket with effortless power.

    The buyers do not know what factory spec they wanted from an e-1000.
    Taneepak doesn't know the abilities of each player/buyer. All the off spec(beside structural integrity related off spec) jazz about poor performance is just jive talking.

    U can't correlate a racket's factory spec to a human being. XXF like the AT700 one day but love her ns8000 on another day. Mia uses winex SP and mp88 but now uses ns7000. Cooler is enjoying his totally off spec AT800OF. What's on spec to u is off spec to me, and that is maybe only for today. Take dinkalot for example, he changes rackets more often than he changes his shorts.
     
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