If we look China Master 2006 on as Thomas Cup finals, using IBF's new format for T&UC, the results should be as follows: 1st singles: LIN Dan 1:2 GADE Peter 2nd singles: CHEN Hong 1:2 JONASSEN Kenneth 3rd singles: CHEN Jin 2:0 anyone 1rst doubles: FU Haifeng/CAI Yun 0:2 ERIKSEN Jens/LUNDGAARD HANSEN Martin China 1:3 Denmark. Thomas Cup would belong to European firstly.
That is a good observation. However this is only a comparison between Denmark and China. How about Denmark agains't other countries?
The only other problem that Denmark would have playing against would be Malaysia, but otherwise we can safely assume that if Denmark can defeat China based on the scores mentioned above, they can just about beat anyone else... I thought long and hard about Indonesia, but I concluded that taking into account consistency (we all know who I'm talking about ), in such a match, the odds will probably favour Denmark very slightly.
i have a different opinion let us compare this way, Taufik vs PG (50 50) anything can happen here Sony vs KJ (40 60) sure point Simom vs K something ?? (60 40) sure point Jens E./Martin L. vs Candra/sigit (45 55) anything can happen here Boe/Mathias or Peter.R/Thomas.L vs Alven/Luluk (45 55) anything can happen here I would say that the result will be 3-2 or 2-3 with of course Indonesia have slight advantage against Denmark. Once again, there is not 100% prediction.
Hasn't Sony retired? but anyway... in my opinion Gade and Taufik is 50 50. KJ will difinetely beat the 2nd single of indonesia. Joachim Persson has showed his improvement by winning the five last ebu tournaments plus beating bao in AE, therefore I think he has a great opportunity to beat Simon Santoso or whoever will be the 3rd single. Also I think Jens and Martin can beat ANYONE. And Paaske/Laybourn vs alven/luluk is a 50 50. Therefore, if everything works out for Denmark they will win 5-0...
yeah, Jonas Rasmussen not Peter - but it would be Jonas Rasmussen with Peter Steffensen, or Thomas Laybourn with Lars Paaske. Maybe the second doubles would be Boe/Mogensen, i'm not sure.
Oh, what a waste, why did Lars Paaske/ Jonas Rasmussen split up? Did they not get along well on-court? This was what I heard, but if they had stuck together, they would be a serious force to reckon with. Does anyone have the gossip on their splitting up?
What if: Chen Jin 2:0 Peter Gade Lin Dan 2:0 KJ Chen Hong 2:0 Anders Boesen China 3:0 Denmark......Ever thought of that?
it has to go by ranking. Lin Dan has no choice but to stay as 1st MS player. Chen Jin can only play as 3rd MS.
You guys also forgetting...this isnt TC. Albeit its very tempting to use these results to foreshadow the upcoming TC, it's a different tournament. This is an individual tournament with different pressures of a team tournament like TC and SC. I think the results would be different. However, these results do look horrible for china lol, espicially after they just came out of their 50 day intense training session. Maybe Liyongbo shouldnt have encouraged the 21pt system so fast . Ironically, for Peter Gade, who "blasted" the new system he almost came out as the winner and finally beat his nemesis hahaha
No wonder they can get suirdman cup that easily....they cheated it~~ just like what happened between Gade and Chen Jin's game.... their own line judge cheated so Lin Dan can beat Taufik~~ Oh man, they already got 2 cups, does it really that important for them to get the third one by using some shameless method? That's making me loosing confident towards them and wish them lost in UC and TC in the first match~~~ damn those cheaters~~
haha! I think not only Chinese liners but also the others are all on side of Chinese players. Otherwise, why Lin Dan have been on the no1 place on the IBF WR since 2 years ago? You see, there are about 20 Opens (1-6 star) one year. Only two Opens are held in China, the others in other countries. Especially Indonesian liners! We all remember that China won Thomas Cup in Indonesia 2004! This Cup didn't belong to China even in China 2002! So we can know Indonesian liners more love Chinese players than Chinese liners! these countries' liners also help Chinese players win Sudirman Cup from 1995 to 2001! These countries's liners are so bad, they help Chinese players not only in three Cups, some open championships but also in World Championships, even in Olympics! these liners are worse than Chinese liners! So I think we should criticize these worse liners firstly before we criticize Chinese bad liners! Do you think so?
well i admit that china won those trophy (which held in other countries) by their own strength and through some hard work.. i am not criticizing those chinese players, but i felt unfair for other players (such as Gade) to be beaten such way. Why should a badminton superpower rely on their line judge to win at home while they can still beat anybody else in foreign matches? I admit that they EARNED their medals in olympic games and world championships, but this time, everybody (even the chinese fans) saw what happened to the match.
yes yes yes i know what you're trying to say lin dan has some serious consistency, thus the world ranking 1 china's ladies team has a lot of serious skills players, including the young ones, thus every ladies' events ownage + uber-cup-ownage china's men's single team has too big a surplus of quality players that china's talented coaches can't even start to decide which to choose to field for TC so, china's dominance over the years actually is actually caused by the huge pool of talented players + good coaches yes ? not to mention china's heritage as a badminton powerhouse yes? so, my question is, despite all this surplus of players + powers, why in the world whould you need to cheat??? , not to mention on a tournament held in own home turf, tournament that last year hardly has any foreign player come by, tournament that is supposedly 6*, tournament called CHINA "MASTERS" HELLO?????? you're supposedly be promoting this tournament this year on how great it is, on the many top players that are playing, not a tournament where the players felt disgusted hello??? do professional players need the cheat help to be masters? look at your situation please you're already a badminton powerhouse doing this kind of thing is only going to tarnish the tournament's image, not to mention some other bigger image. if you want to point out other country's cheating, like that korea open where the players themselves complain, i'm fine with that but remember the point is not to blame or anything, the point should always be how to be better. i don't know about you, but for me if i know what someone is doing is wrong, i probably wouldn't do it myself correct? i'll try to not follow other's bad footstep. isn't that one of confucius analect?, which China supposedly is what it is. if you claim that we should blame those bad liners that you mentioned first, when is it going to stop? if everyone in this world thinks "everybody cheats, so i cheat too" how wonderful this world is gonna be not to forget, china is badminton powerhouse. you cheat to be what, badminton superpowerhouse?? you have anything else to comment on this topic i'll gladly explain it to you in less-adult-like language.
Bad liners are in everywhere besides China. We can't say "unfair" just because of several bad liners, otherwise so many "unfairs" in the badminton competitions, e.g. Chen Hong Vs Lee Chong Wei in All England Semifinals (Chen lead Lee 13:8 in second game at that time)and so on. If Chinese liners really want to "get rid of" Gade, they needn't do it in Finals, they can do it in seminfinals to let Lin Dan come into final (Lin 1:2 Gade, decisive game score 19:21). I think these bad liners are just unprofessional - I saw a post on ChinaBadminton that said these liners are just sophomore or junior.
not to mention during that peter chenjin game 1 match last ball, chen jin 'followed' that controversial ball until it lands. and if you see his face reaction right after the shuttle landed, it's clear that he saw the ball was good but 1 second later called out, lol what a good job by the less-brain tournament organizer and officials excellent tournament marred by stupid calls throughout the tournament. where's your face, no shame as a badminton 'powerhouse'
unfair is when you want to be treated equally but you're not getting it cheating is when it's clearly in called out. cheating is when you rob 1 or 2 or 3 points away from somebody where in fact, those 1 or 2 or 3 points can decide whether you win or lose oh yeah, and if somebody propose a theory that it's simply because the line judges are just unprofessional or just plain college kiddies, hello????? it's 6* event. the organizer is sleeping????? look at the prize money, look at the sponsors, dude i can't believe somebody would actually give this as a reason
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