TRUMP vs. YONEX Nano rackets

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  1. Boy@n

    Boy@n Regular Member

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    Anyone knows TRUMP rackets? http://www.trump-sports.com

    I am considering to get myself the new TRUMP Nano power 7200 model,
    which uses "same" technology as YONEX Nanon Speed-8000, but
    at HALF of Yonex price, well at least in my country in Europe...


    The rackets I am considering are:

    -- Trump Nano power 7200
    http://www.trump-sports.com/Product-2005102421176.html

    -- VICTOR Magan ABT 6500 (83g, 13kg, Magan Ultra Hi-Fibre Mesh)
    -- VICTOR Inside Wave 2500 (86g, 12kg, Magan Ultra Hi-Fibre Mesh)
    http://www.victor-sport.de/englisch/badminton_ATB%206500.htm
    http://www.victor-sport.de/englisch/badminton_Inside%20Wave%20Magan%202500.htm

    -- Forza Titanium 12-05 (85g, ?kg. Graphite + Titanium)
    -- Forza Kevlar 11-05 (85g, ?kg. Graphite + Kevlar)
    http://www.forzabadminton.co.uk/rackets.asp

    -- HL 9900 (83g, ?kg. Graphite + Kevlar)
    http://hlbadminton.com/large/99k.htm

    -- Yonex Nanon Speed-8000 (89g, ?kg. H.M.Graphite + Nano Carbon)
    -- Yonex Muscle Power-99 (89g, ?kg. H.M.Graphite + Ultimum Ti)
    -- Yonex Armortec-700 (84g, ?kg. Ultra H.M. Graphite gForce Ti)
    http://www.yonex.com/badminton_nano_speed.cfm
    http://www.yonex.com/badminton_muscle.cfm
    http://www.yonex.com/badminton_armortec.cfm

    Any recommendations, suggestions?

    I am not a pro player, but I can get good prices of many top rackets in a
    badminton club.... I am offensive player, but also want control & precision.
     
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  2. twobeer

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    I don't get most people, asking for "racket"-advice.. Listing a bunch of VERY different rackets..

    I would be inclined to say..Just buy the cheapest!!! All the racket you list are state-of-the art badminton-rackets.. and very good rackets indeed.. So if you don't have any specific characteristics in a racket that you are looking for (in terms of weight, strining tension, balance, stiffness, length etc.). Just buy the least expensive of the one you list... It will be just fine, if you string it correctly, even for a pro-player (remeber these are top-models you list)..

    The ONLY other option is for you ty try them out and find which one you like the most... Any option from player at differnt levels, different prefferenses, and playing styles will be rather useless advice really..As nothing would indicate that your prefferences would be the same..

    Another point to make is that strings, and tension are probably, as important as the racket itself. Most people frequently make the error of not factoring in strings/tension when comparing rackets.. as a good racket with poor stringing invariably will feel worse than a not-so-great racket with good stringing..

    /Twobeer
     
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    ditto.
    Get the cheapest and try it out, then u would understand what is balance, stiffness, control, power, etc mean to u and then u know what u want from a racket. Right now, your guess is just as good as our because we dunno how u play. 99.982% of players here arent pros either but we can sure give u 10,900+ different opinions on racket selection. The above list of rackets are considered above average so they should be all pretty good. Unfortunately, i doubt anyone here have tried all these listed rackets before to give u an accurate comparision. If u ask us between 2 or 3 rackets, u would get a better opinions from other users.
     
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  4. Boy@n

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    I am aware of importance of shoes and strings and footwork and stamina etc.

    But now I am into process of buying a new racket. And racket (two of "same") is now my main concern because it does not come cheap! I can try various string tensions on chosen racket later, starting with bit lower tension, like 20-22lbs, and going upwards in time to see what's best for me on that chosen racket...

    If I were to try 10 different rackets and each with 4 string tension that would make a combination of 40! I don't have ANY chance to try them all, neither to try just three of them, and neither to try just two string settings with each of the three....

    I know that ANY of these rackets can be more than what I can “pull out of them”, but I still have to choose ONE, and I want a good value for money.

    Yonex are good, but expensive, thus my main question was if Trump is good alternative? That was my MAIN question, not that LIST of various rackets... But if people have bad experience with Trump, as in, that they don't endure for long, I’d still prefer to buy a better quality racket for more money....

    And once I decide for one racket, as you said, what can change the game is more in string tension, and proper shoes, even grip etc. I know enuff about tension, I know enuff about shoes, I am asking about racket. Ya?
     
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    Let me add that my style of game is dynamic and powerful (again, I am not a pro and neither beginner). And I play risky game, trying to hit near lines, redirecting shuttle to unexpected locations etc. I prefer to miss the court than giving a easy hit to opponent, and making game “boring” (in my opinion!).

    And I love to jump & smash, because I am originally a volleyball player, and jumping and hitting the ball in volleyball is something similar as hitting the shuttle in badminton (for me!), it came “naturally”, effortlessly, as on the opposite of players who play for years, several times per day, I play it max twice per week, and am in it for three years only, but I still beat those guys.

    So now, I want MORE. I have a cheap graphite-carbon racket at the moment at relatively low tension, so I want to keep the POWER of this, and IMPROVE the control when defending smashes or when trying to be precise with short balls, my current racket is good at smashing but poor at control....

    Any further advices based on this description?
     
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    u didnt give us your strings and tension. This is way way way more important details than whatever racket u r using.
     
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    I don't know it, what do they set on cheap racket when you buy em in general shops?

    I'd guess from 19lbs to 24lbs, mine is prob. on the lower side, because when we use the middle-speed shutter I can kick it from line to line, with slow-speed shuttle it gets much harder, but if hit it with my max power would still go out (I mean hitting it up high, over opponent)...

    Can you recommend me what type of racket and string tension you'd recommend me to try out first, based on info provided till now?
     
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    keep your racket and restring it with bg 80 or 85 at 24 lb (see ideal tension thread). Try that out first, it's much cheaper than trying out a new racket.
     
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    if i were to try this three times on my racket strings would get more expensive than cost of racket itself! (if it wouldn't crack in the first place...)

    i decided to buy a new one, two of em, (i now have only one), that decision is made, the remaining decision is only WHICH ONE. ;)

    some racket are better for offensive game, some for defensive, some endure more, some less, that's what i am asking for, ok?

    i want a powerful hit, it can be on the cost of slightly less control, but not by much.... some racket have great balance, and that's what i am after, ok? so, which ones suit that category???
     
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    Well, Coolers advice is very sound advice...

    If you buy a new one, You would most likely want to restring it anyway (so youcan make sure you always have the same tension, and strings (as reference), as the stringing IS a VERY important aspect of how a racket will perform!!!

    About your specific question about the Trump Racket vs others. I haven't tried their latests nano ones (the latest i tried was their TG-01 optigroove, wghich was very nice). But In general Trump is a good brand and their rackets is generally of high quality, So I think you wouldn't go wrong with one of their top-end model..

    But you should really ask the shop-owner where you intend to buy the racket, for a demo, so you can try out a few shots with the racket models you are most interested in..

    If you aim for more control in your game you should opt for a stiffer racket, and more importantly tighten your string tension!!

    Also by your description, I made an intelligent? guess that you use plastic shuttles (as you say SLOW,MIDDLE speed ?!?!). Generall you shouldn't string to hard when using plastics, as the shuttles are heavier, and string thus breaks more easilly than when using feathers...

    cheer,
    Twobeer
     
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    Thanks for your replies Twobeers & Cooler.

    I've ordered TRUMP Nano power 7200 model, because I liked what I've read on YONEX Nanon Speed-8000, and I've been told by 'local' club that they both use "same" technology, and they do feel alike when playing with them...

    The reason I've picked Trump NP-7200 over Yonex NS-8000 is because TWO 7200 cost almost the same as ONE 8000.

    I've been told that 7200 is strung to 22lbs by default (don't know which strings yet), and probably because some time passed since this racket was made I guess it'll be at 21lbs when it comes into my hands.... I think this shall be good 'starting-point', and next time I can string just one of them to 24lbs and see how it works for me (I prefer to start with 24lbs, because in two weeks or so it will decrease to 23lbs anyway)... So with having two rackets it's also easier to find optimal personal string tension, rite? And with two rackets I can also find best grip thickness easier, on one having one grip, on the other racket two of them...

    Any further suggestions for me to pay attention to?

    Perhaps shoes... for now I use my volleyball ones, having great shock absorption when lending firmly from high smashing jumps, not so sure about motion in all directions, since in volleyball footwork is much simpler... Any thoughts-suggestions on this?

    I'll use both nylon and feather types of shutters, depending on with whom I play. But I guess with these top rackets tension can go up to 29lbs rite, so it shouldn’t be of any real concern if strung to "only" 24lbs, rite? (Regarding shutters and durability of racket itself...)
     
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    24lbs is high-tension!! 29lbs is VERY high tension. Most factory strung rackets comes with 20lbs or less..

    /Twobeer
     
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    I was told that these rackets get strung at 22lbs at factory.... 24lbs, and in two weeks decressing to 23lbs doesn't sound too high for me, by reading "ideal tension" thread..... I think anything under 20lbs would be too low for my "power".... Shall see.
     
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    hard to resist to ask...

    Boy@n is john_nano clone?

    haha... same topic, similar question and everything...

    so i guess i will say the same thing...

    you trying to promote this brand? :p
     
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    john_nano? no idea what you talking about...

    to be perfectly honest with you. i ask because i bought this racket,
    and now i wonder how it compares to yonex nano speed 8000 and
    other rackets with nano technology... i wonder if this trump "clone"
    is really good, as seller told me, or if it sucks..... i have no experience
    to tell so myself, since i have not tried any other nano racket... ok?
     
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    Anyone playing with Trump Nano Power 7200 who also tried other nano rackets from Yonex and others? How does it compare?

    A friend of mine is deciding to buy a racket made using nano technology, and would appreciate opinions of those who tried some... Thanks!
     
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    Yep, I've tried and had all the new Trump rackets (gave them away to high school kids). They are good for the money. Comparing them to Yonex, I feel Yonex has better quality and perform better. How much better is hard to say. I would need to do a lot more testing which I don't have the time nor desire.

    So far, of all the Trump rackets, I like the NanoWood Tech best.
     
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    thanks for your reply DinkAlot! yep, the price is great -- in my country trump nano model is half of the price of yonex nano model...
     
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