2022 Yonex French Open

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  1. ChildrenOfBadminton

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    so da :)
    boku ga ...kira da
     
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    Aww, Zhang Yiman started G2 strongly to lead all the way to 20-16 and then failed to convert it to lose 21-23 after dropping G1, 18-21,when she was also in front until the last few points.
     
  3. BadSmashPdx

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    Shout out to BWF. Currently its YouTube channel (USA) broadcasts 13 live streams: 4 courts of French Open and 9 courts of BWF World Juniors. Thank you BWF!
     
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    amazing play by rankireddy shetty!! finally shown their true colours! <3
     
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    This is why we say indian mens doubles is extremely powerful, improving rapidly and can challenge all the indonesian , malay , chinese, japanese pairs !!
    Almost took a set off the popovs , i still cant believe it :eek:
     
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    Anyone knows how the matches are organized? Are they based on seeding and world ranking? With French Open follows Denmark Open immediately a few days later, it bounds that many players will have similar world ranking.

    One thing I notice is the bracket of seeding. Denmark Open puts seed:
    - MS (1,7), (4,8), (5,3), (6,x)
    - WS (1,8), (4,6), (7,3), (5,2)
    - MD (1,8), (3,5), (7,4), (6,2)
    - WD (1,8), (4,6), (7,3), (5,2)
    - XD (1,7), (4,x), (6,3), (8,2)


    French Open puts seed:
    - MS (1,7), (3,8), (x,4), (6,x)
    - WS (1,6), (4,7), (8,3), (5,2)
    - MD (1,7), (3,8), (5,4), (6,2)
    - WD (1,6), (3,7), (8,4), (5,2)
    - XD (1,7), (3,8), (5,x), (6,x)


    It appears that the organizer has a liberty to put seed 1 vs 6, 1 vs 7, or 1 vs 8 in one bracket to avoid duplicate matches. Does the organizer use draw to match the players or solely based on player world ranking?
     
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    ChildrenOfBadminton Regular Member

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    I think the draws are made from the BWF computer software...but the draws are very sketchy and the same players meet with each other everytime. theres definitely something wrong going on here.
     
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    possible due to the pool of players are more or less the same each time?
    who's good at maths? give the probability % of the same rematchs.
     
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    1 of top 4 will meet 1 of 5-8 in qf if they all go through. 1 could meet 1 of 4 so it's 1/4=25%
     
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    In my opinion, Zhang Yiman played better than Marin mostly, esp in G2, but towards the end of both games, she inexplicably became erratic, committing several unforced errors.

    Kudos to Marin's never-say-die attitude.
     
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    Well done, Han Yue but after a bit of a scare in the decider when she suddenly lost 6/7- point lead to allow Pornpawee to close the gap to 17-18 before she reasserted herself to spurt to the finishing line 21-18.
     
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    CYF against YJM, my favourite, again?
     
  13. terrynguyen121988

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    Look at the people who was near to Viktor:

    Tsuneyama meet Victor twice in 2 weeks (Malaysia Open and Indonesia Open)

    Nishimoto was very near to Viktor in Denmark Open and French Open
     
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    The draw is so lopsided. Its not even a draw, they literally grouped all the top players in the top half and scattered everyone else randomly after
     
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    They want: Viktor vs Loh and Lee in quarter-final and semi-final to attract audience. And Nishimoto (at first round or second round) vs Viktor.

    At the bottom half, It can be Lakshya Sen or Chou Tien Chen in final, the same with Denmark Open

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Did you remember Lin Dan vs Momota at the first round in Hong Kong Open 2018 (or 2019 ?) and some other tournaments
     
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    First of all you can start by filling in the blanks (the x's), as they are seeded players who withdrew. For example, the x in MS of Denmark Open is the second seed (2). And yes, they are drawn.. by software.

    I will break it down into:
    Seeds 1 and 2: Fixed.
    Seeds 3 and 4: Can only be distributed in two ways: 3,4 or 4,3. Over the course of the two events you see five of each so nothing suspicious there.
    Seeds 5 to 8: They take up the last four positions. Over a longer period of time you would expect to see each of them roughly the same number of times in each of those four positions.

    The issue here is mainly that the sample size is low. We only look at 10 samples (5 categories x 2 tournaments). The probability of deviations is way too high. Imagine rolling a six sided die 10 times. How surprised would you really be if you rolled no 6's and four 1's? It is funny sure, but you would not go as far as to suspect your die to be weighted or rigged. I believe the rule of thumb is you need at least 30 samples.

    Another thing, which is relevant here is that it is in our nature to notice the things that stand out. Not the things that do not. For example, we have sometimes noticed the same seeded players/pairs meeting each other in the QF two tournaments in a row (or first round). For example, this time Viktor vs Loh (if they get that far). But the real question here is not how likely it is to get Viktor vs. Loh in the QF in both DO and FO. That is just what happened and therefore what we focus on. The real question is how likely it is that someone1 meets someone2 in the QF in both DO and FO. And that probability may be higher than you think. It may be so high that we should actually expect it. The same logic can be applied to other similar events. (It is the topic of the book The Improbability Principle.)

    Having said all this, doing the draws by hand and streaming it online would certainly be an improvement.
     
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    Dont leave Kodai yet. In Denmark open, he played well. It was unfortunate for him to lose to shi yuqi with 20-22 in the decider. According to me, he is the one who has improved so much .
     
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    Our pool is small, only 32 slots and players tend to meet. Am I not right?
    In tennis, a grand slam has 128 participants.
     
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    Looking at the way SYQ played just now, it looked like he doesn't want to advance to the next round. Sending the shuttle out and into the net.
     
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    Really why I’m not a SYQ fan, on top of last year’s controversy.
     

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