Gideon Marcus Fernaldi / Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo

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  1. London_Player

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    I think they're finished. They lost terribly to the British pair early in the WC. Badminton also about confidence and can't seem them winning a major title.
     
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    I doubt they care about WC at this point though. Dont make it like its the only tournament worth winning but not getting a medal is baffling though. in the past they cant win WC but they keep winning Superseries.

    My thinking is the prize money is too lucrative for HerryIP to consider spliting them, even more so i. 2023. you know coaches also get big percentage ib tournament wins and Year End WR1 (which Fajri will get). You definitely wouldnt want a pair that can only won WC.

    Of course , if they cant win anymore, losing in R1-R2 of SS. They will split up. I wouldnt mind they split up now but they will give it till the end of the year i guess.
     
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    China tried to split up zheng/huang after they lost in Olympics final, meanwhile herry wouldn't even dare to split minions even though he knows the other indonesian MD are still gonna be dominant in world tour anyway. if Indonesia fail yet again at the Oympics I think they should consider find a new head coach. 3 straight Olympics without a gold (or even worse, without a medal) is very bad for a country like Indonesia who are known to be a powerhouse in MD.
     
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    I don't think so. The pair who also lost to that British pair in commonwealth games in a rather embarassing way turned out to win world championship
    During the qualification period of 2016 Olympics, Towi/Butet kept on defeated by many pair who they usually can defeat and even Praveen/Debby won the All England that year. Many people already lost faith of them for the Olympic but in the end they are the one who won gold
    Hard to predict confidence level
     
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    I agree on this. Kevin us 27 and not 23. Their demanding playstyle is the reason that they are the most dominant pair this centuries (2016-2021) and won almost 30SS which is a record breaker. No one has come close to them in terms of rankings.

    but its also a double edged sword. This kind of playstyle makes them quite nervous in the past WC. now, Kevin have lost lots of speed and he doesnt have much power. I guess they need to alter their playstyle because its not gonna get easier. Well at least they have make hay while the sun shines.
     
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    Sacrifice the head coach because the MD don’t perform? INA got a gold medal last Olympics in WD.

    Is it different for women?

    If the MD is so important, consider changing the MD coach instead.
     
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    I mean MD head coach. Indonesia doesn't really have a head coach for all discipline like park joo bong for japan. MD has 2 coaches right now, herry ip as the headcoach, aryono miranat as his assistant.
     
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    The Head coach/director for all discipline is Rionny Mainaky.
     
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    Maybe Flady Limpele can help out in MD instead of XD.
     
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    Ahh Kevin contracted Dengue before WC and they were only able to train for 3 days..
     
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    That's unfortunate.
     
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    Kevin Sanjaya: Saya Sudah Tak Bisa Kerja Sama dengan Herry IP

    Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo mengakui sedang terlibat pertikaian dengan pelatih ganda putra, Herry Iman Pierngadi atau Herry IP. Berikut wawancara eksklusif CNNIndonesia.com dengan Kevin terkait hal tersebut.

    Hubungan Kevin dan Herry IP mulai memanas sejak Indonesia Open 2022. Setelah tiga bulan berlalu, Kevin mengakui Indonesia Open 2022 bukan jadi satu-satunya penyebab permasalahannya dengan Herry IP.

    Berikut wawancara eksklusif CNNIndonesia dengan Kevin Sanjaya:

    Bagaimana awal cerita pertikaian dengan Herry IP?

    Kayaknya memang sudah waktunya saya berbicara apa adanya, daripada saya semakin digituin terus. Sebenarnya awalnya, panjang ceritanya. Pasti pertama ribut karena dia menjelek-jelekkan saya di Indonesia Open. Tetapi sebenarnya story-nya panjang.

    Dari pertama saya masuk Pelatnas Cipayung, saya kayak dianaktirikan, diremehkan terus, dan lain sebagainya oleh dia. Saya kayak tidak pernah dianggap.

    Salah satunya saat race to Olympics 2016, saya tidak diberangkatkan ke dua pertandingan Eropa dan China Open. Saya [bersama Marcus Gideon] finis tidak jauh dari Angga/Ricky, hanya beda 1-2 posisi doang, tetapi masih di 15 besar.

    Saya tidak diberangkatkan karena menurut dia, saya masih jauh kelasnya. Intinya begitu. Dia selalu meremehkan kita. Saya sama Sinyo. Karena kita kecil, dipandang sebelah mata.

    Saat itu saya lebih banyak latihan sama Koh Ar [Aryono Miranat] setelah sebelumnya sama Mas Chafidz [Yusuf].

    Lalu bagaimana hubungan kamu dengan Herry IP ketika kalian berhasil juara All England 2017 dan mulai merajai World Tour?

    Itu dia baru memunculkan dirinya sebagai pelatih kami. Kayak dia yang muncul terus. Sebelumnya mana pernah dia melihat kami sama sekali.

    Intinya saat kami pertama menang All England, baru dia tampil. Kalau saya sama dia, selama dia tidak ada berbicara ke publik apapun itu, kita telanlah [perasaan]. Kita hargai jelek-jeleknya dia, kayak dia latihan datang seminggu tiga kali.

    Berarti hubungan kalian memang tidak hangat dari dulu?


    Dia sebagai kepala pelatih saya hargai, tetapi memang tidak ada hubungan yang bagaimana-bagaimana. Kita telan semua jelek-jeleknya dia. Buat apa ngomong ke media.

    Ada rasa kekecewaan yang lama dipendam. Apakah itu karena race to Olympics?

    Dari sebelum race to Olympics, saya diremehkan seperti tidak dianggap. Terus yang paling parah awalnya di race to Olympics. Kayak kita dianggap levelnya jauh di bawah Angga/Ricky.

    Apa karena faktor Marcus yang sempat berselisih dengan Herry IP sebelumnya?

    Saya rasa enggak. Koh Herry sukanya yang tinggi, tenaga besar, jadi ya memang kita tidak dianggap. Apalagi saya dan Sinyo kecil-kecil.

    Sampai waktu itu pada titik di final India Open, pertama kali saya final Super Series 2016, saya hampir disuruh mengalah sama Koh Herry, tetapi kita tidak mau.

    Kita disuruh mengalah, disuruh ngasih ke Angga/Ricky, tetapi kita tidak mau. Waktu itu kan yang mendampingi Koh Ar, saya dan Sinyo juga Angga/Ricky sempat ngumpul, Angga/Ricky juga bilang main saja [main serius], saya dan Sinyo juga tidak mau [mengalah]. Koh Ar juga oke [untuk main]. Tetapi Koh Herry sempat menelepon suruh mengalah.

    Hubungan itu tidak juga menghangat ketika kalian merajai BWF World Tour di 2017-2019 dan sering dapat pujian dari Herry IP?


    Hubungan cenderung biasa saja, ngobrol tetap ngobrol, tetapi tidak ada kedekatan. Waktu dia muncul berbicara soal pasangan terbaik dan lain sebagainya, saya tertawa doang. Mau ngomong apa?

    Yang penting tidak ada colek-colek apa-apa [membuat masalah], ya sudah terserah dia. Kita juga tak mau buat masalah.

    Setelah hubungan dingin namun tetap profesional, berarti hubungan benar-benar kembali meregang di Indonesia Open 2022?

    Ya. Sebagai orang internal seharusnya ngomong ke kita langsung. Dia tidak memecahkan masalah sama sekali tetapi malah ngomong ke media. Sebagai orang internal dan pelatih atau disebut orang tua, kayaknya tidak sewajarnya seperti itu. Tidak pantas.

    Begitu kami mulai turun, dia koar-koarnya kayak jelek-jelekin begitu kayak cari panggungnya begitu amat.

    Apakah kamu langsung berbicara dengan Koh Herry setelah momen tersebut?

    Enggak. Karena dia juga tidak merasa salah sama sekali soal pembicaraan dia. Jadi mau bilang apa. Kita tidak ada ngomong apa-apa.

    Kan dia bilang sudah ngomong ke saya dan lain sebagainya, [sebenarnya] tidak ada omongan apa-apa ke saya dan Sinyo [Marcus Gideon]. Soal sudah beritahu itu tidak ada, bohong semua.

    Berarti saat Koh Herry bilang sudah menasihati kalian, sebenarnya tidak ada omongan itu?

    Enggak ada omongan itu. Dia seharusnya sebagai pelatih dia mengayomi. Misalnya dia panggil saya dan Sinyo. Tanya perspektif dari saya apa, dari Sinyo apa. Tidak ada sama sekali.

    Seharusnya pelatih bantu memecahkan masalah kita, tetapi malah cuma ngomong ke media. Saya mungkin tidak sesabar itu juga, akhirnya saya marah.

    Selama ini jelek-jeleknya dia kita telan semua.

    Intinya kalau Koh Herry tegur saya secara internal, saya tidak ada masalah. Pasti saya tidak akan marah juga kalau ngomong ke saya langsung.

    Lalu sebenarnya apa yang terjadi di Indonesia Open dari sudut pandang kamu?

    Sudah pasti kami kelelahan. Kami sudah mati-matian saat Indonesia Masters. Waktu Indonesia Open, saya merasa berat sekali. Saya merasa tidak sekuat itu untuk memaksakan diri. Daripada saya cedera atau sakit. Kami juga sama-sama sudah tidak bisa maksimal. Jadi bersikap lebih realistis saja.

    Setelah masalah itu kamu tetap datang ke Cipayung?

    Waktu awal-awal tidak, karena anak-anak pada pergi semua ke Malaysia dan Singapura. Setelah anak-anak pulang, saya dan Sinyo latihan sama Kak On [Rionny Mainaky]. Kami sudah latihan di jam yang berbeda dengan yang lain.

    Kamu dan Koh Herry sudah tidak tegur-teguran saat itu?

    Tidak.

    Apa benar kamu dikirimi pesan lewat WhatsApp oleh Herry IP tetapi tidak kamu balas?

    Dia sudah dikasih tahu panjang lebar, Sinyo sudah cerita. Koh Ar [Aryono Miranat] sudah cerita dan mendengar dari saya. Tetapi dia WhatsApp saya cuma nanya, 'Vin kenapa enggak latihan? Aryono bilang marah sama saya?"

    Tetapi dia tidak merasa ada masalah sama sekali, jadi ya susah kan. Dia selalu bilang kan saya tidak ada masalah, ya memang dia yang buat masalah. Bagaimana?

    Apa kamu sudah bilang ke Pengurus PBSI dan klub PB Djarum karena masalah seperti ini tentu bisa mengganggu?

    Saya tidak bilang ke klub tetapi saya bilang ke PBSI. Saya menjelaskan ke PBSI kayaknya saya sudah tidak bisa kerja sama lagi [dengan Herry IP]. Mereka [PBSI] intinya sedang membereskan [masalah ini].

    Apa output yang kamu inginkan dari penyelesaian masalah ini?

    Saya mau tunggu dari PBSI. PBSI katanya sudah punya keputusan, tetapi tinggal jalan doang, makanya saya terap latihan di PBSI. Tetapi mungkin kalau PBSI tidak bisa menyelesaikan masalahnya, saya yang akan cari solusi sendiri.

    Apa masih ada jalan tengah kamu bisa berbaikan dengan Koh Herry?

    Kayaknya sih sudah tidak bisa. Maksudnya kalau di luar lapangan, saya sudah tidak masalah walaupun dia tidak minta maaf, saya okelah.

    Tetapi kalau suruh kerja sama lagi, kayak saya disuruh jadi anak buahnya lagi, kayaknya tidak bisa. Saya sudah pikir baik-baik, itu sudah keputusan bulat dari saya.

    Di luar badminton, saya tidak ada masalah sama dia cuma sudah tidak bisa bekerja sama lagi dalam dunia badminton.

    Apa ini artinya berarti kamu atau Koh Herry yang keluar?

    Soal itu saya kurang tahu, solusinya apa. Jadi saya serahkan ke PBSI. Saya tidak masalah, nothing to lose juga kalau sudah diposisikan seperti ini.

    Misal kamu tetap di ganda putra namun tidak dipegang oleh Herry IP. Apakah masih mungkin seperti itu?

    Kalau jalan sendiri-sendiri, kepala pelatihnya tetap Koh Herry. Kalau dibagi dua, saya tidak mau merusak hal yang sudah jalan di PBSI. Jadi tidak enak sama anak-anak, jangan gara-gara saya malah jadi kacau semua.

    Berarti kamu sudah ancang-ancang main di luar Pelatnas?

    Kita lihat ya keputusan dari PBSI.

    Marcus sendiri bagaimana?

    Kami sudah berdiskusi panjang lebar. Sinyo sepertinya tidak masalah ikut bersama sama dengan saya.

    Makanya saat saya latihan pisah, Sinyo masih ikut saya juga latihan bareng kak On. Masih sering ngobrol. Kita selesaikan hal ini bersama-sama.
     
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    Setelah gemilang prestasi di 2017-2019, sekarang banyak ujian berat untuk Kevin/Marcus mulai dari penurunan performa hingga masalah ini?

    Itu kan bagian dari hidup, tidak ada yang tahu. Nikmati saja. itu kan proses, kita belajar lebih lagi. Semua akan indah pada waktunya. Saya tetap percaya hal itu.

    Kamu sudah banyak dapat gelar, tetapi masih ada beberapa gelar besar yang belum didapatkan?

    Kalau bertanya soal apa yang belum dicapai, pastinya Kejuaraan Dunia dan Olimpiade. Cuma kita tidak bisa muluk-muluk, bisa sampai saat ini saja saya sudah bersyukur, lebih dari yang saya bayangkan sebelumnya.

    Kalau ditanya apa yang mau dikejar, pasti saya mau kejar Kejuaraan Dunia dan Olimpiade. Tetapi kalau saya sampai berhenti main tidak dapat itu, saya masih bersyukur. Tidak ada yang disesali.

    Dari segi permainan apa yang berbeda dari kamu berdua?

    Lawan banyak yang meningkat, semua memang rata. Sebenarnya kita masih imbang semua. Tidak ada perbedaan yang besar. Tetapi lawan memang sudah jauh lebih improve.

    Apakah dominasi kalian di 2017-2019 ikut jadi beban ketika kamu tampil di Kejuaraan Besar?

    Kalau beban, semua pertandingan pasti beban. Karena dulu sering menang, terus kalah kemudian komentar orang bisa ke mana-mana. Jadinya pastinya ada beban.

    Mungkin dulu bisa lebih enjoy. Sekarang lebih banyak beban karena mempertahankan lebih susah. Kalau waktu mengejar jauh lebih nothing to lose.

    Dari dulu kamu dibilang arogan di lapangan. Akhirnya ketika ada masalah begini gaya kamu di lapangan ikut diungkit. Kamu melihat hal itu bagaimana?

    Kalau saya soal omongan netizen terserah mereka. Mereka selalu bawa-bawa soal Indonesia Open padahal waktu di Jepang dan Kejuaraan Dunia saya tidak melakukan hal yang sama, tetapi masih dibawa-bawa juga. Jadi ya terserah mereka.

    Kamu sudah 27 tahun. Apakah karier kamu masih panjang di badminton?

    Soal itu tidak ada yang tahu, nasib seorang atlet tidak ada yang tahu. Saya harus mempersiapkan dari sekarang, jaga-jaga untuk setelah saya tidak main nanti.

    Herry IP Buka Suara


    Sementara itu, Herry IP seperti dikutip Antara pun sudah buka suara soal konflik dengan Kevin Sanjaya. Ia menegaskan Kevin yang tak mau lagi dilatih olehnya.

    "Bukan saya, Kevin yang tak mau berlatih dengan saya. Lebih baik tanya Kevin saja," kata Herry IP.

    "Katanya, Kevin sudah tidak cocok berlatih dengan saya. Kalau sudah tidak merasa cocok, ya sudah tidak usah latihan dengan saya," tambah pelatih berjulukan Naga Api tersebut.

    https://www.cnnindonesia.com/olahra...aya-sudah-tak-bisa-kerja-sama-dengan-herry-ip
     
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    Kevin Sanjaya: I Can't Work With Herry IP Anymore

    Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo admitted that he was involved in a dispute with the men's doubles coach, Herry Iman Pierngadi or Herry IP. The following is an exclusive CNNIndonesia.com interview with Kevin regarding this.

    Kevin and Herry IP's relationship began to heat up since the Indonesia Open 2022. After three months had passed, Kevin admitted that the Indonesia Open 2022 was not the only cause of his problems with Herry IP.

    Here's an exclusive CNNIndonesia interview with Kevin Sanjaya:

    How did the story of the dispute with Herry IP begin?

    I guess it's time for me to speak as it is, rather than me being digitized more and more. Actually, at first, it's a long story. It must have been noisy at first because he badmouthed me at the Indonesia Open. But it's actually a long story.

    From the first time I entered the Cipayung National Training Center, I felt like he was being neglected, belittled, and so on by him. I've never been considered.

    One of them was during the 2016 race to Olympics, I was not sent to the two European matches and the China Open. I [with Marcus Gideon] finished not far from Angga/Ricky, only 1-2 positions apart, but still in the top 15.

    I was not sent because according to him, I was still far from class. That's the point. He always underestimates us. I'm with Sinyo. Because we are small, we are underestimated.

    At that time, I practiced more with Koh Ar [Aryono Miranat] after previously with Mas Chafidz [Yusuf].

    Then how was your relationship with Herry IP when you won the All England 2017 and started to dominate the World Tour?

    That's when he emerged as our coach. Like he keeps showing up. Never before had he seen us at all.

    The point is when we first won the All England, then he appeared. If I'm with him, as long as he doesn't speak publicly whatsoever, we'll swallow [the feeling]. We appreciate his bad things, like he comes to practice three times a week.

    Does that mean your relationship is not warm from the first?

    He's a head coach I respect, but there's really no connection in any way. We swallow all the bad things about him. Why talk to the media?

    There is a feeling of disappointment that has been buried for a long time. Is it because of the race to the Olympics?

    From before the race to the Olympics, I was belittled like I was not considered. Then the worst part was in the race to Olympics. Like we are considered to be far below Angga/Ricky's level.

    Was it because of the Marcus factor that had a dispute with Herry IP before?

    I don't think so. Koh Herry likes being tall, has great energy, so yes, we are not considered. Moreover, Sinyo and I were small.

    Until that point in the final of the India Open, my first Super Series 2016 final, I was almost told to give in to Koh Herry, but we didn't want to.

    We were told to give in, told to give it to Angga/Ricky, but we didn't want to. At that time, those who accompanied Koh Ar, Sinyo and Angga/Ricky also got together, Angga/Ricky also said to just play [play seriously], Sinyo and I also didn't want to [give up]. Koh Ar is also okay [to play]. But Koh Herry had called to give in.

    Isn't that relationship warmed up when you won the BWF World Tour in 2017-2019 and often get compliments from Herry IP?

    Relationships tend to be casual, chat still talk, but there is no closeness. When he appeared talking about the best partner and so on, I just laughed. What do you want to say?

    The important thing is that there's no dabbing [making trouble], so it's up to him. We also don't want to cause trouble.

    After a cold but still professional relationship, does that mean the relationship is really stretching again at the Indonesia Open 2022?

    Yes. As an internal person, you should talk to us directly. He didn't solve the problem at all but instead spoke to the media. As an internal person and a coach or being called a parent, I don't think that's the way it should be. Inappropriate.

    As soon as we started descending, he was shouting like bad-mouthing like he was looking for the stage so badly.

    Did you talk to Koh Herry immediately after that moment?

    No. Because he also didn't feel wrong at all about what he was talking about. So what to say. We didn't say anything.

    He said that he had spoken to me and so on, [actually] nothing was said to me and Sinyo [Marcus Gideon]. There's no such thing as being told, it's all a lie.

    Does that mean that when Koh Herry said he had advised you, actually there was no such talk?


    There's no such talk. He was supposed to be a coach he was nurturing. For example, he called me and Sinyo. Ask what perspective from me, from what Sinyo. None at all.

    The coach should help solve our problems, but instead only talk to the media. I might not be that patient either, I ended up getting angry.

    So far, we've swallowed all the bad things.

    The point is if Koh Herry scolds me internally, I have no problem. I certainly wouldn't be angry if he spoke to me directly.

    So what actually happened at the Indonesia Open from your point of view?

    Of course we were tired. We were desperate for the Indonesia Masters. During the Indonesia Open, I felt very heavy. I don't feel that strong enough to push myself. Instead of me getting injured or sick. We also both can not maximize. So just be more realistic.

    After that problem you still come to Cipayung?

    Not at the beginning, because the children all went to Malaysia and Singapore. After the children came home, Sinyo and I practiced with Kak On [Rionny Mainaky]. We've been training at a different hour to the others.

    Did you and Koh Herry not speak at that time?


    Not.
     
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    Is it true that you were sent a message via WhatsApp by Herry IP but you didn't reply?

    He had been told at length, Sinyo had told him. Koh Ar [Aryono Miranat] has spoken and heard from me. But on WhatsApp I just asked, 'Vin why don't you practice? Aryono said he was angry with me?"

    But he doesn't feel like there's a problem at all, so it's hard, isn't it. He always said that I had no problem, yes, he was the one who caused the problem. How?

    Have you told the PBSI Management and the PB Djarum club because problems like this can certainly be annoying?

    I didn't tell the club but I told PBSI. I explained to PBSI that I could no longer cooperate [with Herry IP]. They [PBSI] are essentially solving [this problem].

    What output do you want from solving this problem?

    I want to wait from PBSI. PBSI said it had made a decision, but it was just a matter of walking, that's why I continued to practice at PBSI. But maybe if PBSI can't solve the problem, I will find a solution myself.

    Is there still a middle ground you can make up with Koh Herry?

    I guess I can't anymore. I mean, off the pitch, I have no problem even if he doesn't apologize, I'm okay.

    But if you ask me to work together again, like I was told to be his subordinate again, I don't think I can. I've thought carefully, it was a unanimous decision from me.

    Outside of badminton, I don't have any problems with him, it's just that he can't work together anymore in the badminton world.

    Does this mean you or Koh Herry are out?

    I don't know what the solution is about that. So I submitted it to PBSI. I have no problem, nothing to lose too if it is positioned like this.

    For example, you are still in the men's doubles but not held by Herry IP. Is it still possible like that?

    If you go alone, the head coach will still be Koh Herry. If it's divided into two, I don't want to spoil things that are already running at PBSI. So it's not good for the children, don't make it all messed up because of me.

    Does that mean you're ready to play outside the National Training Center?

    We will see the decision from PBSI.

    How about Marcus himself?

    We've had a long discussion. Sinyo doesn't seem to mind coming along with me.

    That's why when I was practicing apart, Sinyo still joined me and also practiced with Kak On. Still talking a lot. Let's work this out together.

    After brilliant achievements in 2017-2019, now there are many tough tests for Kevin/Marcus starting from a decline in performance to this problem?

    It's part of life, no one knows. Just enjoy it. it's a process, we learn more. Everything will be fine in time. I still believe that.

    You've got a lot of titles, but there are still some big titles that haven't been earned?

    If you ask about what has not been achieved, of course the World Championships and the Olympics. It's just that we can't be grandiose, until now I'm already grateful, more than I imagined before.

    If asked what I want to pursue, I definitely want to go after the World Championships and the Olympics. But if I stop playing I can't get it, I'm still grateful. Nothing to regret.

    What's different about the game between the two of you?

    Opponents have increased a lot, all are flat. Actually we are still all balanced. There is no big difference. But the opponent is already much more improved.

    Did your dominance in 2017-2019 become a burden when you appeared in the Major Championships?

    If it's a burden, all matches must be a burden. Because you used to win often, then you lose and then people's comments can go all over the place. So there must be a burden.

    Maybe I could enjoy it more. Now it's more of a burden because it's more difficult to maintain. If the pursuit of time is much more nothing to lose.

    You've always been called arrogant in the field. Finally, when there is a problem like this, your style on the field is also brought up. How do you see that?

    If I talk about netizens, it's up to them. They always bring up the Indonesia Open even though when I was in Japan and the World Championships I didn't do the same thing, but I still carry it around. So it's up to them.

    You're 27 years old. Is your career still long in badminton?

    No one knows about that, no one knows the fate of an athlete. I have to prepare from now on, just in case I don't play later.

    Herry IP Open Voice

    Meanwhile, Herry IP, as quoted by Antara, has also spoken about the conflict with Kevin Sanjaya. He emphasized that Kevin did not want to be trained by him anymore.

    "It's not me, Kevin who doesn't want to train with me. It's better to just ask Kevin," said Herry IP.

    "He said, Kevin was no longer suitable for training with me. If you don't feel right, then you don't have to train with me," added the trainer nicknamed the Fire Dragon.
     
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    Good for kevin speaking to media like this, although it seems like he got a lot of heat from the fans after this. kevin isn't the first player to have a problem with herry, previously herry also also had problems with sigit, kido, marcus, and now kevin. I think they (PBSI) should just let kevin leave pelatnas and play with gideon indepedently, as for herry, let's see what he can do at 2024 paris. if he failed to deliver gold (yet again) I think he should just be fired, all these years in big event he only relying on hendra anyway.
     
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    If PBSI choose Herry over Kevin I think it could be good for Kevin, I know he gonna be super motivated after he leave pelatnas to prove something. lately I feel like he lack motivation. he doesn't have the same fire from 2016-2019.
     
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    That's a terrible interview from kevin, he's doing too much...he should have a little bit more respect for his coach. I really hope PBSI doesn't make the same mistake like they did 14 years ago, if they decided to kick herry ip out because of kevin I don't think he will ever be back again.
     
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    I think the really bad thing that comes out from this is Kevin telling about the coach trying to favour other pair in 2016 Olympic qualification.
    Seems to be always a problem before, when Marcus first leaving PBSI too. So nothing changes and that's bad. I thought something changes when Marcus decided to go back to pelatnas

    Other than that, it is good that everything is out in the open now rather than just speculation. Move forward, whatever the decision is

    And my personal opinion, coach Herry should be put in charge of junior doubles players and see whether he can always produce good combination. Other coach should fill in for the senior doubles players, time to get a different perspective. One thing that I really don't like is during this year Thomas Cup, the doubles coach should know who really can play and contribute point rather than just keep playing Kevin/Ahsan combination. Last year Thomas Cup clearly shows that Marcus is the MVP in men doubles. Without him playing at his probably at least 90% best, the men doubles can't seem to deliver point when clearly they are much better in ranking
     
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    heri ip order his players to lose the match. that alone is enough for heri ip to be sacked

    he order kevin to lose the match but he does not follow his order

    lololol

    maybe he does the same thing too to other players like ahsan
     

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