HSBC-BWF WORLD Tour Finals 2020 : Group Stage-Final (27-31 January 2021)

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  1. Bardie

    Bardie Regular Member

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    In Beachvolleyball at the Olympics they do it much better and that solved the problem. There are maybe four groups of four players (or eight groups of four players - doesn't matter) . For example four groups: The winner of each group goes straight to the quarterfinals. The four players ended two and three(!!) in the groups played another match for the last four places in the quarterfinal.
    That means: You are lucky to win the group , cause you have one game less . So everybody wants to win the group.
    That also means: Even if two players lost there first two games , they are still in the tournament. Just win your last game and you're number three in the group.
     
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  2. Baddyforall

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    By saying Pornapowee could have lost deliberately against Sindhu , you simply discrediting World Champion Sindhu's victory .

    Who is Pornapowee?. A nobody and just an opportunist who played well on that day to proceed further in WTF.
     
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  3. Hassefar60

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    You accuse me of discrediting Sindhu's victory, then went on the discredit it yourself but calling her opponent a nobody.

    I posted before the match had ended. I started writing the post long before the match had ended. My intention was to criticise the system, not any player.
     
  4. samkool

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    unfortunately that's the consequence of group play with only 2 groups of 4 players in each group. you can't fault the athletes for sandbagging if it will give them a better chance of winning further down the road, and you can't fault the fans for noticing or thinking it.

    it's a stupid system so blame whoever made the decision to use it.
    an athlete trying to make a living?
     
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    Did I speak too soon?.
    Marin was very clear that she can beat An Se Young at any time .
    So...., as if this loss could not be counted.
    . Come to reality.
     
  6. Baddyforall

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    Opponent is not in the same league of any player in the group.

    Considering her records and comparing to any records of any player in the group , well, I dont want to say it again, but calling her match as 'deliberately losing ' definitely does not fit to the calibre of her stature.

    Even ' out of form' Sindhu could beat her. Then, I dont have anything to say here.
     
  7. Hassefar60

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    You may be right. But 'out of form' TTY could not. And 'out of form' RI could not either.
    In any way, I did not accuse her of losing intentionally. I pointed out she could have a reason to do so. I really tried to state that observation in the most impartial way I could. I apologise if I failed at that.
     
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    Man, do you even know the term ' clash of styles'. Sindhu's style may be not comfortable for thai girl. If both the 'out of form' RI and Tai could not beat, does not mean 'Out of form' Sindhu also cant beat the Thai girl.

    No way, the Thai girl has the luxury of choosing 'win or loss' even before the match. She is not that calibre yet.
     
  9. j4ckie

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    Imagine mocking someone for screaming when Marin is in the same match
     
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  10. Hassefar60

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    There are less offensive ways to discuss. You talk like you think I am an idiot, while it is you who seems to have missed my point completely and keep focusing on the specific player in the example I used to criticise the system.

    I agree. And I think she agrees.
     
  11. Baddyforall

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    I dont think any less of you or anything unless you are taking too much into discussion.

    I rest my case here. I was passive for many days or months. I was reading every post . I could not have replied if you have said that about Ratchanok or Tai. They are superior to Sindhu technically but since you took Pornapowee, that triggered me in replying to the post.

    I rest my case.
     
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  12. Hassefar60

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    Very well. I think we agree here then. I didn't even think about the fact that it was Pornpawee. I had my eyes on the draw system. She just happened to be the player in the "interesting position".
     
  13. j4ckie

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    I like how you put the out of form in quotes as if Sindhu had played anywhere near a world champion level and it was debatable whether she delivered Top5 performances over the past few weeks
    I'm not actually critical of her, the past year has been very tough on almost everyone, but the way some people delude themselves is hard to believe sometimes. And there's a very strong correlation with nationalism and religion, weird how that works....almost if both were irrational (and, many might argue, stupid) concepts and - to paraphrase and slightly adapt the late Christopher Hitchens - have the potential 'to poison everything'

    I 100% agree with the criticism of the system that you originally replied to. It doesn't matter whether the match was thrown or not, whether full effort went into it or not, it's a big flaw if there's even a base for that kind of suspicion. Obviously Sindhu is definitely capable of beating this level of opposition, but your dismissal of young players based solely on past achievements speaks volumes of your mentality and understanding of the sport. Imagine your reaction if someone did that to every new Indian player beating someone who was elite 1-2 years ago.
     
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    Praveen/melati look like they didn't even want to be there
     
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    Praveen looks fat
     
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    Well. No need to bring Nationalism and Country's name into discussion. If you wanna discuss, discuss it without talking about nationalism. I never ever spoke about 'India' anywhere in the discussion. Then, why bringing that into discussion here.

    Coming to original poster's post, he was speculating about Thai girl's loss because of the so called 'system'. Am I right?.

    And coming to your discussion, since she is an upcoming player and she has that extra motivation to win anybody on the court, why taking risk by 'deliberately' losing to a 'World Champion' .

    Again, you are the one bringing the Nationality into the discussion.
     
  17. pp35

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    Did you stop following badminton in like mid-2018 and just wake up to this year? Last year before tournaments stopped, Pornpawee beat Marin in the Spain Masters final and HBJ at the All England. In 2019 and late 2018 she beat Sindhu, SJH (twice), Yamaguchi (twice), CYF and Okuhara.

    In the match today, I don’t think she purposefully lost, but it’s clear that she didn’t put in much effort after she lost the first game. Gill even commented that Pornpawee seemed to be assuming that she already qualified for SF, and didn’t seem to be considering the scenario in which TTY would retire from her match with RI later.
     
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    they always look like that.
    he always looks like that.

    but hey, their uniforms match! :D :rolleyes:
     
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  19. Baddyforall

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    I know everything of her.
    Well, I have nothing to say that just because she beaten Top players in 2018 and 2019 , does not have any material to prove that she deliberately lost to Sindhu in 2021 .
    Wow, so you think Pornapowee deliberately lost? !.
    If so , BWF has to follow her and punish her .
    I follow badminton regularly, but it seems, you dont seem to be knowing nuances of it.
     
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    Well Pramel is woefully out of form. Both of them is fat. You can its unfortunate that the pandemic happened after they won AllEngland (basically when the tours stop).

    Same goes for FajarRian, Ginting, JC.

    For AhsanHendra, i think they are happy with 2 SF appearances (Its basically start of 2018 all over again) and GreysAp with 1 title and unfortunate knockout. Only both of them can hold their heads high.
     

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