Ignoring Player's Line-call Challenge on TV Court

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    2wheels04 Regular Member

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    Whilst the BCers are venting bile in the China Open 2016 thread after watching the Round of 16 clash between the Chinese youngsters and the Japanese Olympic Champions,

    what are the learning opportunities so other umpires who aspire for the high chair are well prepared?

    Firstly, it is to know that on 'challenge court' each side can make a maximum of two (2) unsuccessful challenges per game.

    Secondly, as a service judge, when such an egregious misapplication of law is being made, it is better to approach the high chair, and help getting back on track, rather than sitting and watching the derailment.

    Thirdly, umpire coordinator, must appoint umpires who are ready to take the high chair. Preparing them on the court is not good for the game.

    Fourthly, referee could and should have intervened earlier; there were lots of situations the players presented that were "buck up now," or else ... this is going down.

    (here is the moment, from Game 2, 21-20, China serving ...)
     
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    Who and which nationality is the umpire? Likely one who sides with the Chinese?

    And what use is the tournament referee in this case? He was absolutely useless.
     
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    The umpire was CAI FENGJIE a Chinese umpire, presiding over a game which included Chinese players. Conflict of interest aside, the failure of the tournament referee to intervene was deplorable. Such a stain on the reputation of badminton in China.
     
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    Looking at that video again, the umpire may possibly be excused for his ignorance of possibly not knowing the new challenge rules of two per game instead of two per match, but I find even more damning fault in the tournament referee in not correcting the error immediately right then and there upon discussion with the players and the umpire. Shockingly deplorable. Totally unjust. Frightfully neglectful.
     
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    Even we, as amateur fans are well aware of the (not very) new rule. The umpire, as a professional BWF approved representative, had a duty to the federation and the players to know the rule book inside and out. Anyone not meeting that requirement should not have been within 50 feet of an umpire's chair in a Superseries Premier tournament.

    If I ever see that umpire in a BWF event again, it will be too soon...
     
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    No, no, NO.

    The umpire is precisely there to make certain the match is played within the rules of the competition and the applicable laws. Ignorance cannot be justified here. If that was not the case, then it might as well be anyone but an umpire in a BWF SSP event on that high chair, becoming famous, for all the wrong reasons.

    Ronny De VOS was the referee, and David CHIANG was deputy.

    Both also failed in their primary duty.
    <QEF fail, big time>

    [The Belgian will be the Referee in Djakarta for another SSP, Indonesia 2017, AND in the Dubai 2017 finale- http://bit.ly/2f9VZb9, while his bosom pal will be in Basel during the Swiss Open]
     
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    You guys get it all wrong. The umpire did not fail. In fact, he succeeded in his attempt to get the Japanese pair eliminated at any cost. That was obviously cheating and I can not believe that they did it on TV court. The service judge, the deputy tournament ref failed to stop the cheating.
     
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    Failed is right. Someone needs to takes responsibility.
     
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    The main actors are also listed in a technical officials thread - http://bit.ly/2g0INEl

    And as mentioned therein, it was a collective failure.

    The Federation probably realises this was the case.
    And if they listened to players from previous years, well, that would be too much to do.
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    The referee. That is the fellow in charge after all.

    I am certain if they are honest about it, they, BWF, will point all the anarchy that was permitted in the earlier rounds - of not having umpires qualified adequately, and using those matches as training and experience. This is definitely not the way to prepare for matches, at least on the challenge courts. The mindset and preparation calls for entirely different set of skills, all of which are possible to acquire with a little planning and implementation.
     
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    If the Chinese coaches and players have any sportsmanship at all, they would have stepped in and talked to the umpire. I rather lose the match than winning in that fashion. Had they done that, they would have earned the respect from around the world, but now they are known as cheaters. I myself stopped watching this tournament after that game.
     
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    anyone remember LD last year challenging a baseline wrongly called out on his side for his opponent (Axelsen or Jorgensen i think)... the umpire did a double take and smiled... now that was honourable...much respect.
     
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    but the umpire got a bit mixed up actually about what the calls were.
     
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    and the saga continues.
    Apparently the ignoring of an immediate challenge happened again, this time in the WSQF. check out what is lacking in the mechanics of the umpire, highlighted here http://bit.ly/2g0INEl

     
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    What the hell is going on? This is ridiculous!!!
     
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    Funny how Korea used to be notorious for line calls, but hasn't been the case for a while. Now it's Chinas turn for not only bad line calls but totally incompetent and biased refereeing at all levels. I'm just sad because I enjoyed watching SS games religiously, but this has totally put me off watching the rest of this tournament.

    Would BWF do anything even if the petition here gets enough signatures? I seriously doubt it...
     
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    Potential for error or bias from line judges (who are predominantly local) is countered by the hawkeye system. This all started from a local line judge making the wrong call, as confirmed by hawkeye.

    In this case, hawkeye was countered by an error from a local umpire. Errors by a local umpire are countered by the tournament referee (not a local) but in this case s/he failed to intervene, and so the chain of accountability was broken.

    So many failures demonstrating the lack of integrity of badminton in China and the BWF. Without integrity there is no joy in continuing to watch a match, knowing the result has already been corrupted.

    Perhaps short sighted court officials would think that they've gained some advantage by unduly influencing the match, but this wasn't some local city tournament where everyone might turn a blind eye. This was an internationally televised broadcast from a SSP event, and what they have achieved is to bring scorn on Chinese badminton, players, and the federation.
     
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    I just watched the full video and whats even worse is that only the deputy referee was available who "reluctantly" came on court as the commentators stated. He spoke to the match referee for a bit (whilst ignoring the Japanese coach who wanted a word) then suddenly turned away and walked off as if everything was OK (ignoring the Japanese coach and players again). So disappointed...
     
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    may be every one was bought off.......
     

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