A Good Knot

Discussion in 'Badminton Stringing Techniques & Tools' started by heroclass, Apr 12, 2015.

  1. Gollum

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    I got the hang of it now, and I like it a lot. :) It's the bulkiest knot I have, but also very neat. It shows no sign of sinking. It works well as a starting knot too. I'm going to keep using this for now. Thanks Mark, you're the man! ;)

    With the three loops it can get a bit confusing working out which loop is #2 when you are tightening. I found it helps to do this:

    • Tighten the half-hitch, but then keep hold of the loop you pulled on.
    • With your other hand, try pulling the next loop. When you feel the loop you kept hold of tightening, you know you got the right one.

    If you let go, then of course you can see a loop tightening, but it can be a bit unclear which loop it is.
     
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    To keep track of the loops, you can also leave them different lengths - have the first one shortest, the next one longer, and the last one longest. Then tighten them in order from short to long.
     
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    Pro tip, ta! :)
     
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    ^Chuck a picture up - I want to see if I'm doing it right!
     
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    Yeah right. :D I'm not sure mine look as pretty, so let me know if they're correct:

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    Ironically I'm in the opposite situation to you, in that I have no stills camera (my phone can't focus that small) but I do have a video camera. So I had to get out this massive Sony bazooka. My poor racket looks like it's getting blasted by the Death Star. :D

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    The top one might as well be mine - we're either both wrong, or both right;).

    It's sitting nicely in the second picture as a starting knot - I never thought of using it for one, but I might as well - means I only have to keep one in my head instead of the five I'm juggling at the moment.

    (And I must correct you: the racket is the Death Star, about to be crashed into by the Super Star Destroyer:p).
     
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    It only looks that way from one side, though. That's the knot's "best side". Are yours like that too?

    (The first picture shows the starting knot; the second picture shows the same knot on the right, just with the racket turned upside down.)


    Yes -- while I like John's big knot too, I actually think this one works slightly better (it seems to sink less). I like that I can just use one knot all the time.

    I'll see how it goes with more time, but so far so good.


    :D
     
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    I don't have a problem with my knots sinking
     
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    Brand new knot
     
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    Make one loop
     
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    I make a second loop making sure it will sit behind the first loop making my second loop a little smaller so I Can recognize it, as I come up on the second loop I go through both loops.
     
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    as I go through both loops I come back around from the inside of the frame creating a third loop. As it goes through making a third loop (on left side)I use my left middle finger to go through 2nd loop, pinch tail as I am making 3rd loop,and with my right hand I hold on to the third loop. T pull on the 3rd loop with my right hand, my left middle finger holds 2nd loop, tightening up 1st loop. When first loop tight Let go of 2nd and pull on 3rd tightening up 2nd loop. Then pull tail tightening 3rd loop, Toshi Knot!!!
     
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    Finished product
     
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    All done!!!
     
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    Nice photo instruction Kakinami, thanks. I haven't tried this knot but will do so when I have some spare time. It looks neat.

    Kindest regards,

    -Ajay-

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  16. Gollum

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    Hi Alan,

    I don't think I have been tying my Toshi knots quite right. Thanks for the detailed instruction. One question:


    I think this means the second loop is sitting in between the frame and the first loop. So you have: frame, then second loop, then first loop.

    Is that correct?
     
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    This is what my Toshi - I'm sure it is a Toshi - looks like at 32/33 with a 0.68 string:

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    It sat too far into the grommet for my liking, but I really give my knots the beans when I tighten them.
     
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    WOW, this looks really really nice, Mr.Kakinami would you please post a close up video of the instructions for this type of knot?
     
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    Double post...
     
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    Toshi knot represent!
     

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