They all won in straight sets, mostly below 30 minutes... Holland organizers keep unseeding Indonesian BD year after year after year... every time, our BD dominated Dutch Junior.... One more HK BD pair left in this category. After they're gone... we will get the title...
yes.... quite happy with INA results tonight, beside AC Milan now leading 3-0 against Palermo with a hattrick goals from Zlatan Ibrahimovic... hahaha Great to see Felix/Kevin won it quite easy.... I am happy also to know that this decade (2010-2020) we will have a bunch of talent in MS to challenge the world. Vito, Riyanto, Gifar, Wisnu, Panji, Thomi... not to mention, Ihsan Maulana, Fikri Ikhsandi, Bayu Pangisthu and the amazing Jonathan Cristie.... will this be the new golden era of our MS just like 1990-2000 ?? we will see... as others country also have some amazing talents like ZZ, Axelsen, Ng Ka Long, Kento, Thammasin etc. dont give them too much pressure, let them improve and show the world what INA MS can do in the future !!
According to INA's coaching team now in Harlem, the Finnish #1 seed, Kalle Koljonen, is a VERY ferocious competitor, seldom seen from Europe...
Edi-Melati just defeated Russel Muns-Myke Halkema of NED 21-14, 21-11... Their oppnent in the finals is going to be the #5-8 seed from HK: Chun Hei Tam-Sin Ying Yuen. INA can stil get 3 titles!!! [If we do get 3 that will one of our all time best total results in the history of Dutch Open]
Whoever put this, was quite clearly wrong, ok Finland might not be the best country for badminton (far from it) but the European countries are catching up with the Asians, the Germans especially have a few decent players coming up as well as other nations. Anyway the finnish guy will probably not beat the mas guy tomorrow, but still a good result.
And while I'm at it, the seedings are done according to the new BWF Junior Ranking, so although it might not be fully representative of the skill level actually there, it is correct as according to the amount of tournaments played and results achieved, if they want to be seeded they have to play more tournaments and get good results otherwise you can't complain. It's like claiming Chn players such as Tian Houwei, Zhou Wenlong Bin Qiao etc etc, when they go to tournaments abroad (rarely) they aren't seeded cause of lack of points as opposed to others who are not as good but have more points, it's fair and if they are truly better, they will prove it by beating the seeded players. So stop critisising the organisers, they are doing it by the book...
It's not as if they have MANY junior tourneys for the Asian junior players to compete in (like in Europe). In Asia, we only have the Tangkas Alfamart Junior IC and Edi Subaktiar/Arya Maulana Aldiartama happened to win that tourney last year (which had most of the top Asian players, except CHN). In addition, Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo reached QF of WJC 2011 and Final of Singapore IS 2011 (both with his other partner Lukhi Apri Nugroho). Oh...and his ranking in the Juniors is 41, higher than both the rankings of the 5/8 seed Russel Muns/Robin Tabelling and 3/4 seed Daniel Font/Oliver Gwilt. Surely, that needs to be taken into consideration?
As many others had written, the results in BD are what I expect...all Asian pairs with 3 pairs from INA. Edi Subaktiar/Arya Maulana Aldiartama will square off against Tam Chun Hei/Lee Chun Hei for a place in the Final. I hope they can create an all-INA Final in BD! Edi Subaktiar/Melati Daeva Oktaviani will also face a HKG pair in Tam Chun Hei/Yuen Sin Ying in the XD Final. 2 titles for Edi Subaktiar is still very possible! Meanwhile Hafiz Faisal/Putra Eka Rhoma will be engaged in yet another classic Jaya Raya vs Djarum clash in BD (similar what we saw in last week's Taruna U-19 Final in Sirnas Kalimantan Open 2012). This time they will face Felix Kinalsal/Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo. It's difficult to predict a winner between them, as the last time they met each other in the Astec Open 2011 (which was eventually won by Edi/Arya), Felix/Kevin lost by a whisker in the very first round....18-21, 23-21, 20-22! I expect to see another thrilling 3-sets. As for Thomi Azizan Mahbub...he surpasses all expectation by beating the second-seed Tam Chun Hei in straight-sets. Up next is Soo Teck Zhi for a place in the Final.
So it's the fault of the Dutch organisers/European Badminton for having too many Junior tournaments in Europe and not many in Asia? Why not create more, or send them to more Euro ones? Don't have the money? Not the organisers problem, or the seeded players problem, the system is fair. Don't try and pick faults in the organisers and accuse them of being bias, they are following the rules provided. But his partners rank is 525! No matter how good this 525 guy is, he doesn't have enough points to be considered for seeding despite his partners achievements. Other pairs have achieved better results and played more tournaments counting towards their seeding. Hypothetical situation that proves my point: Cai Yun gets injured before the next tournament, there is no one to replace him, so either Fu Haifeng quits the next tournament or is forced to pair up with me (not an international doubles player) With his usual partner, he would be seeded 1st, now that I am his partner, and I have no rank, we can no longer be considered for seeding cause I have not accumulated points and "proven my worth" therefore we are unseeded. Despite that my partner is an amazing player, I am not up to the level, therefore although we can probably win one game, we will not win the tournament, other pairs who are better overall with higher rank deserve their seeding as a reward for previous performances. Scratch pairs with no real solid international results before and with low rank deserve no seeding as there is no proof to there chemistry on court.
Great to see 3 of INA BD in semifinal! I hope Edi Subaktiar/Arya Maulana could lift the title to pump their motivation towards AJC/WJC. As many stated, Edi/Arya will be a medal contende and INA best bet in upcoming AJC/WJC. Edi is 18 while Arya is 17. The same goes to Edi Subaktiar/Melati Daeva Oktaviani as INA best bet in AJC/WJC later.. A double winner for Edi Subaktiar is nothing new as he has did it in Sirnas Good luck for INA players today... Can't wait for AJC/WJC
After competing in Dutch and German Junior, the Djarum juniors squad, Edi/Arya, Felix/Kevin, Melati/Roysita, Thomi, Kho and Resky will play in Banuinvest International 2012.. so probably they will skip Sirnas Palembang..
From BWF: Tournaments included in World Junior Rankings •2 BWF sanctioned World Ranking tournaments (refer table 6.4) •World Junior Championships •BWF sanctioned Junior tournaments •Individual Junior Continental Championships http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=16443
Wow... So busy in German open, missed all the fun here GL to all Ina jr, they are keep proving to defy all those seeding oozapalooza
Well, apparently you're either new to badminton or quite ignorant on when they BWF actually wrote the book on International Junior Tournament seedings... Well, BWF published the book just 2 months ago! And the brand new book favored the Europeans. The Indonesians behaved differently in 2011, for instance: going to adult BWF tournaments in Bulgaria Challenge, Indonesia Challenge, etc. INA did not expect that BWF will value Swiss Junior, Polish Junior etc. as being more valuable than adult BWF tournaments... Why do Indonesians behave this way? Because BWF wrote in their rulebook many years ago [since the days when the BWF was still called IBF] that the seedings will be done by World Rankings... [in the absence of a Junior World Ranking, until 2 months ago, there was only 1 world ranking: BWF's World Ranking]. And then, for the past 5 years or so, BWF could not make up their mind on how the seeding should really be done... Their own rulebook wrote the seeding principles [without giving explicit details], but in practice left the seedings to the local organizers. That's when many unrealistic seedings occur... How long have you followed Dutch Junior? Is this your first time? Well, many of us have seen them seed erratically in the past. Waaaay before the new Junior Ranking came out. Here, read this link. http://www.bwfbadminton.org/news_item.aspx?id=57912 You can see that BWF just released it in January 2012. Taking into account results of the past 52 weeks. Well, we in Indonesia cannot undo what we did in 2011 after the new rule came out favoring the European Junior Circuit system.
Now that the BWF rules finally came out, BAC is constructing a new Junior tournament system... In 2011 we've seen: Indonesia Junior [Tangkas Alfamart] Singapore Junior [Li Ning or Cheers] We will surely see in 2012: Malaysia Junior India Junior In the future we will likely see: Japan Junior Korea Junior Thailand Junior I hope we can even add: Bahrain Junior Philippine Junior Vietnam Junior Chinese Taipei Junior
This sentence from the BWF website is so misleading about the current strength of XD pairs in the Juniors: "The mixed doubles see a clear European domination, while the other 4 disciplines see a rather even distribution between the two continents." Just take a look at the results of the WJC and you would see that there's only 1 European pair (Danish pair) left by the QF. Don't forget also that the Juniors ranking take into account only 5 tourneys, with most of the European Juniors tourneys being regarded as the SAME LEVEL as at least an IC or GP-level tourney. The European Continental Championships also has the equivalent pts of a GPG-level tourney! So, the top-ranked Dutch pair in XD got their top-seeding thanks to a SF finish in the Dutch and European Junior Championships 2011 (3500 and 4900 pts), runner-up at Danish Junior Cup (4250) plus winning the Belgian IC (4000 pts). Without even looking at the result of WJC 2011, these pts itself already ensures that the Dutch pair is ranked in the top 10! That is why Krisna is right in pointing out that the new Junior ranking list is biased towards Europeans, since some of the Asian players only have the Tangkas Alfamart IC counted as equivalent to the GPG-level tourneys! For those who participate in the seniors-level tourneys like Singapore IS (like Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo), they get a much lower point despite finishing runner-up in a more competitive field! And if you examine the seniors ranking closely, some of INA's pairs like Hafiz Faisal/Putra Eka Rhoma already have a WR of 138 (with the best result of SF in a senior IC-level tourney), while the top-seed for the upcoming German Juniors in BD (Joris Grosjean/Gaetan Mittelheiser) has WR of 287; and the 3/4 seed (Kasper Antonsen/Frederik Colberg) is ranked at 203; and the 5/8 seed (Mathias Christiansen/David Daugaard) is ranked at 281. Surely, based on the official MD WR, the INA pair DESERVES to be ranked top next week! It's indeed bizarre to find them not even seeded in the top 8!
Despite all these debates about rankings, I must admit that there are more and more talents coming from Europe these days. We have seen how Carolina Marin and Viktor Axelsen have now graduated to the senior stage and already have very good rankings! Marin already reached R16 of the World Championships last year and she will only turn 19 this year! The emergence of new talents from lesser-known countries like Finland and Turkey, eg: Kalle Koljonen and Neslihan Yigit, is indeed very encouraging and makes badminton more competitive! Badminton needs more countries to be proactive in coming up with the talents so that the sport as a whole can grow and becomes more popular!
Thomi still trails 10-11 at the interval of the second-set as he wasted a 4-pts lead at 10-6. I hope he can force rubber-set.
