Service judgment: A very controversial topic

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  1. cooler

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    really, i didn't read it tho...:)
    this line on shirt was in my mind years ago but, i thot laser beam is more high tech. SOmetime, low tech work the best tho..
     

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    All in favor of the belly-button rule say "aye" - "aye!"

    Heck, I like the belly button idea a whole lot better than that lowest rib stuff, I can't even tell where my own rib is, let alone the other guy's.:p

    This is probably the best solution I've ever heard. But at competative levels, would that mean that all the shirts would need to have a hole in the front?:rolleyes:

    In all seriousness, someone give Red_Dragon a medal, because I actually think that this could work.

    Anyone else's thoughts?:cool:
     
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    Measuing/checking to prevent cheating

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    Excellent idea !!! :):):)

    Talking about the 'measuring/checking' concept, we are talking about checking things like the officials do in many other sports (to prevent cheating), for example;

    Boxing: Checking participants' gloves
    Table Tennis: Checking tampered rubbers on bats
    Strength/Power/Endurance Sports: Drugs used
    Contact Sports: Checking for dangerous items worn by participants
    and so on ......

    Yes, fair play should be implemented. Therefore, BWF officials should work on preventing participants from not obeying to their formulated "Badminton Laws".

    Nice attachment, cooler...
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    Gee! Thanks! The simplest method is the best solution :). There would be no need to make a drastic change of service rule just to address the subjectivity of the waist level. I hope this gets to be implemented.
     
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    the line on the shirt may not be a constant point on the body. if you lean back,your shirt gets pulled up a bit, and some tricky fitting on the shirt could lead to a disturbance of even 5-7 inches
     
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    Cool pictures Cooler. like I told OSFcross, great minds think alike. :D
    OMG! If this gets to be implemented (and I'm hoping it will), it would be soooooo coool! :cool:
    It would be just a matter of how to standardize it.
    If BWF needs help, I would be so much glad to pitch in some ideas. :D
     
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    go ahead, lean back, twist, contort your body at will to make your serve plus recovery. :rolleyes: It will back fire on u because it only screw up your service consistency.
     
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    Good point. If that's the case, then there should be an "official" to measure every aspects in different position (like in bended position, how fitting or loose the shirt is, the shirt "disturbance", etc.), and maybe come up with a computation that would give the precise location of the line where it would be least likely to go far away from the lowest rib level. The point here is to standardize and to get rid of subjectivity. I think this is the closest we could come up with. Unless you really want to get down to the very nitty-gritty details like the tangent, cosine ... trigonometry of it.

    But seriously? Do you we have to get through all of these?
     
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    In my view, recommendations for laser planar beams, marked shirts and the like are missing the most important requirement - and that's 'general availability'.

    If the idea is to keep it simple, any modification will have to be readily accessible to anyone who plays badminton. I don't see social badminton players rushing out to buy marked shirts. I also don't see clubs and court managers hunting for laser generators.

    Amendments at the facilities level (say, the nets, the posts, the marked areas) are what are needed and also what might work.
     
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    Oh. The players don't need to buy marked shirts. The tournament organizers can mark it for them. This could even be done before the match. They can use a marker or even a colored scotch tape. That's readily available, right?
     
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    Badminton players don't need to buy marked shirts

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    :D:D:D venkatesh ... Oldhand 's last post was referring to shirts worn by non-tournament or casual Badminton players.
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    For the fun of it...

    What you think if a joker wears this or born with this?..
    Anyway without the 'helper' the Dens beat the M'sians in that match:D
     

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    :D :D :D
    Oh yes. My bad. :p

    Jeez. Now I need to redeem myself ;). Casual badminton players can still use marker lines right? I mean, colored scotch tape can still be handy :eek:
     
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    :D :D :D LOL

    Or maybe raise your shorts like what Han Sang Hoon did in All England MD Finals.
     
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    The service judge's chair would have to be much higher than the umpire's

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    Hahaha ... The service judge's chair would have to be much higher than the umpire's. :D:D:D
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    i dont think buying marked shirts will be a problem, considering the other expenses we badders have to face already
     
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    When our our shirts shrink through washing, the marking is not reliable anymore

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    As venkatesh said ... We can mark our own existing shirts. We don't need to spent extra to buy new shirts.

    Btw, even if we have our shirts marked, we need to find where our lowest rib is located. And when our shirts shrink through washing, the marking is not reliable anymore. :D:D:D
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    As venkatesh also said, we can use colored tape. It can be applied and reapplied easily on any type of shirt.
     
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    Yeah!
    As venkatesh said, we can ... :confused: :confused: :confused: oh ... I lost my train of thought. What is it again we're talking about???

    :D
     
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    Is it necessary for non-tournament players' shirts to be marked?

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    :D:D:D Talking about "Is it necessary for non-tournament players' shirts to be marked?"
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