APACs Rackets and Stuff: Christmas comes early for Panda!

Their own line is undoubtedly better than their clones. I'm sure many of you have heard me say this before, but let me say it again. APACS IS JUST AS GOOD AS YONEX.

 

Not debating quality, debating integrity.

Man, talk about the 'good old days'. You just bought a Cab8 or a Cab21 if you could afford it and you were set. Now it seems like there are just too many rackets to choose from, and what seems like many companies not even bothering to bring anything to the table except "Look at me, I'm cheaper than Yonex".

 

I sorta agree, if APACS has a line of racquets of very good quality, I don't see why they would bother cloning. The only reason why is to gain extra profit from those who don't want to pay the premium for yonex high ends. Which isn't really the most honest thing to do.

 

I agree with everything you say but people have a choice as to whether or not they want to buy APACS clones or not. APACS clones are a lot cheaper than their own line of rackets and that provides the less fortunate with quality rackets.

 

Is anyone suggesting people are forced to buy them? Of course they have a choice, but this isn't about choice.

They're not running a charity so I don't understand where the 'less fortunate' comment comes in. It's not like at their pricepoint they're filling a niche nobody else does, are they?

 

APACS is not only filling that "niche," they are doing it in style. I got a Nano 900 Power for only $20 USD at a shop in Malaysia. What racket can you get from Yonex for only $20 USD? A 1U steel badminton racket. And I'm sure that 1U steel racket plays better than a Nano 900 Power right? No competition, the Nano 900 Power is lightyears ahead of the 1U Yonex racket in terms of quality.

And if you aren't part of that group of less fortunate people, well then I'm sorry. The truth is that there are less fortunate people out there and APACS is doing a great service by providing excellent rackets for them at an economical price.

 

ok guys, lets get back to what we're doing here best...discussing about Apacs rackets and not worrying about intellectual rights etc...that's best left for some other thread/people to do.

so AMP 95 or VH1800, which to get? hard to decide for now...

 

I am not advocating that copying/cloning is the right thing to do. But we are living in a commercial world after all, and also consumers have choices. Obviously, it is lucrative to ride on the tail coat of a leader and cater to the "less" fortunate in terms of budget or to those who may have the budget but don't see the need to pay a premium.

Cloning does have a far ranging and wider benefits to consumer setting aside the IP issues. Look into the realm of medicine, if not for generic drugs, everyone need to pay for expensive original drugs. Also, during the 50s, Japanese manufacturer were copying vehicle designs and that provide the masses the ability to own cars and be mobile.

A discerning buyer should know that you get what you pay for, no way can you pay 1/5 the price of the genuine article and expect the same performance. So if the manufacturer doesn't have copy right over the design and clonex starts sprouting, I don't see a big issue. The bigger issue would be consumer doesn't have a choice and there's only a monopolistic player in the market.

 

I don't know if this will have any effect on your decision, but the VH1800 is quite a bit longer than an AMP 95. I have not tried a VH1800 before but I have tried a VH1300. It felt very weird for me, so I sold it.

 

for me, the AMP series is not suitable because of it very thick and stiff shaft. i prefer something of mid stiff to stiff and thin. I think the AMP series works really well for Dink cause he's got unlimited power. I used the 1200, 1300, 1500 and 1800 before and i find the 1500 to suite my play the best. I may have a chance to try the 1700 in 2 weeks.

 

yes bro.. why? did I kena cheated? HAHA

 

Thx Skanbuzz, will input my opinions at best.
AMP95 should be a par with VHS1800 as I could feel both are h.heavy, & stiff shaft too.
VHS1300 shape like NS8K which are fast swing & fragile if big clash, 1500 head is broad&widebody. 1700 has kevlar implement on 2-10oclock

 

I personally swear my allegiance to Yonex products, and KNOW very well that they are VERY good quality racquets. I've broken the racquets before (at the shaft) and seen the quality build beneath the paintjob and within the shaft. So, no doubt, the price you pay, IS JUSTIFIED.

Thing is, as recreational players and badminton lovers, I tend to like to try out many many racquets, and what APACS has done, has enabled the 'lower-income-class' people like me the chance to do so. And in no way have they infringed any copyright acts.

I'm sure Yonex themselves are FULLY aware of clonexes in the market. Ask yourself one simple question, why won't Yonex purchase copyrights? And why won't Yonex sue/seek legal actions to clonexes like APACS?

I personally own several Yonex racquets including CAB15, CAB20, and recently Ti-10... so I hope my argument is not biased. I still support Yonex, but I don't see how APACS is doing something VERY wrong, or ethically wrong. There's a market, and people are there to exploit.

FYI, I am an avid tennis player as well, and 90% of my gear is Yonex. So yeah... go figure

 

Hear hear hellojeffo,

1) Agreed that Yonex products is certainly good and I too like & still use Yonex's
Started with "Blacken", Carbonex 15 and Carbonex 20 many moons ago.
Dormant for a long time but now back playing badminton this year but discovered Yonex rackets had increase in price alot. You pay for what you get.

2) Enjoy badminton but can not afford the yonex price and like hellojeffo, like to try other rackets. APACS seem to fill in the gap but would like to try others too.

3) Is APACS actually infringing copyright? Did they say they are copying EXACTLY the same as Yonex? What is exactly? Any "T" joint, are the colours and pattern exactly the same? The products length and size the same too?
I am not sure that they have except that they have made a badminton racket that have colour & name that seems to look like Yonex model.

I too buy/support Yonexs, my children play tennis using Yonex rackets too and I wear Yonex badminton shoes

I think it is up to individual whether you want to buy Yonex or not. No doubt they are the leading name and sponsor a lot of tournaments that we all enjoy. They are leading the development of rackets and technology too in rackets. On the other hand you might find that their racket are probably the same as another brand badminton racket except the paint might be different but then it is up to you how much you want to pay for it.

My 2 cents worth.

keep up the good work Yonex and APACS too which allow me to own more than 1 racket!!!!

 

this is how i feel:

Model stiffness balance 1200 mid head heavy- 1300 mid head heavy- 1500 mid stiff+ even 1800 mid stiff head heavy- AMP95 very stiff heav heavy

 

ark... it's better in a chart...

 

ah thanks guys, your various inputs have helped alot.

 

AMP90 just slightly head heavy???