I suppose a nice objective way to compare badminton depth is to look at Sudirman Cup seedings?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Sudirman_Cup Spain was seeded 20th. Thailand seeded 7th. Big big difference. If you want to compare Spain to another country, best to compare Brazil (seeded one higher than Spain at 19th) or Czech Republic (seeded one lower than Spain at 21st). I can't even name one player of note from those countries!
claim that Marin as the GOAT without any fact, that is a nice joke, even joke of the millenium agree. different eras is diff to compare. but only if there aren't players who has very long career who is struggle in certain era, but is very success in the other era. Susi can't win even 1 title... even failed to win 1 medal in World Championships... all in LLW / HAP era but Susi is the OLY and WC in 1990's era. Zhang Ning is a mediocre in Susi's era, even lose twice in Uber Cup final as WS3 only...but brilliantly won 2003 WC and 2004 & 2008 OLY plus the World #1 status. so why we can't compare them ? China also have much more depth in MS compare to Malaysia. but, except LD and CL, no one CHN MS has positive H2H or win more titles than LCW. so what is the point ? the most important point is the individual, and not coach / manager / team mates / assocciation
I've given plenty of facts already. But facts don't equate to being right in this context, because it's all a matter of opinion. Anyway, let's see how Super Marin's career goes for the next 10 years. Perhaps by the end, she may even convince you that she's the GOAT hehe.
and you are clearly anti china as you say by yourself, it is you who said China team is the GOAT if they can defeat spain or when they win the WC 18 in Russia. that is your comment, and not my comment, so what is the need to discuss it in here ? Ji Xinpeng / Alan BK won OLY, and Chen Jin won WC...a major title... but Liem Swie King and LCW never won it. so, ABK / JXP / CJ > LSK / LCW ?
you say ZN / ZYL not fit for the GOAT, bcoz neg H2H with JFN / CP. ZN / ZYL = OLY and 3 times WC JFN / CP = no major CM = OLY and 2 times WC WYH / Inthanon = World Champion now, CM has negative H2H with WYH / RI, so what is your respond ? I mean, what does it taste ? your own word hehehe
Actually, not anti-China at all. I was supporting FHF/ZN to beat the Great Britain pair in the semis. Also I was going for Hong Wei to beat the same pair in the Bronze play off. And same reply to all your so called "facts" - all a matter of opinion. Just like mine. And that's fine.
With ZN/ZYL, they are easily all time greats, and could be argued as the GOAT easily. I was obviously just punching holes in their "resume" for it - found it odd that they'd played the Danish pair so often and yet had a negative H2H. Is their H2H still negative though? I thought they'd caught up recently hehe. EDIT: looks like CP/JFN do lead 10-9 still. And that's going to be for life it seems, as ZN/ZYL are splitting right? This is an obvious blip in their otherwise dominant careers. I mean, if the H2H score was 3-4, it wouldn't be such a big deal as that's not many encounters. But 19 encounters is a decent number to usually sort out who's better.
LLW with 2 - 1 - 1 all in WC odd year Marin only 1 WC in odd year LLW with 10 or 11 world records Marin no world records this is fact, and not only opinion or imagination yeah, lets wait and see in this weak era, how many marin can win. for the last 3 years in her golden age, and focus in WS, only manage to win 8 titles. LLW in the strongest era, double duty also, but can win all 5 titles in a row in just 5 months include the 1989 World Championships in Jkt, the victory that seals her status as the most successful WS in WC history even until now
good job, mr / ms inconsistent hehehe what if their H2H still negative ? according to your own view, they are GOAT or not ? and relate it with Marin and for Marin who has neg H2H with 18 or 20 WS, surely far away from GOAT status. even neg H2H to 8 players is too much for the GOAT, and now there are 18 players hahaha
Again, I've given plenty of facts that are not opinion or imagination (rather obvious statement, but seems you needed clarification). However, those facts don't equate the opinion of who is GOAT, because it ends up ranking which facts are the most important. And the facts that are the most important are a matter of opinion.
plenty of facts ? non sense. not even once that proved Marin > LLW, even Marin is not greater than Susi / ZN
It's all quite simple, because my opinion weighs heavily on the fact that Marin is coming from a country with little badminton depth - now or in the past.
And that's where we will have to end the "debate", as it will always go round in circles. You're looking for "proof" where there can be none. Only opinion.
whats up if you are coming from non badm PH ? as long as you have neg H2H / less title or major title, worst win-lose records against me, then no way you are the GOAT lol
If Marin had NOT won the Olympic Gold, I would not rate her the GOAT. For me, she needed that Olympic Gold to get there. That and 2 World Champs (and an All England), and the fact that she's from Spain is simply amazing. So it's a combination of "facts" that support my opinion, or any opinion for that matter. Hopefully that's clear now hehe.
Funny thing is why people rate the Olympics as such a big deal - it's easier on paper to win and has only existed since 1992. There are way more tournaments that are harder to win on paper and have existed well before 1992. In tennis, the Olympics is still considered far inferior to any of the 4 Grand Slams. But for some reason, for badminton, it's rated as arguably the highest. Interesting isn't it?
Yes, and that's why it's so hard to compare different eras. But I don't recall anyone winning a major (whether it be World Champs or All England or whatever) from such a weak badminton country. And not just winning one major, but three! EDIT: I stand corrected. This dude could go down as the GOAT!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_A._Sautter Seriously though, not sure if the competition then was that good hehe.
since when AE become a major ? Just to suit marin for GOAT hohoho AE just another SSP. if you find it so hard to compare diff eras, so how come Marin > LLW and HAP to become the GOAT ? answer it first, 2 vs 1, which one is better ?
