I would not consider Zheng Bo/Ma Jin an upset since Zheng Bo used to be ranked 1 in the world together with Gao Ling.
read below post... the debate will never stop if we didnt set the standard......so...now the standard is using world ranking...more than 5 different will be consider as upset
no problem...lcw is wr 1...easy...just need to check ville lang wr...then...done......provided what u say will become true....
this is the complete upset list for round 2 in all england........hope there is more to come.... ms 12)Sho SASAKI(wr 30) beat Tsuen Seng LEE (wr 25)21-11 21-12 ws 5) Nanna BROSOLAT JENSEN (wr 46) Hongyan PI (wr 4,seeded 4)21-18 14-21 21-19 6)Julia Pei Xian WONG(wr 16) beat Huaiwen XU(wr 9,seeded 8)23-21 15-21 21-16 7)Yihan WANG(wr 17) beat Mi ZHOU(wr 2 seeded 2) 21-19 18-21 23-21 8)Pui Yin YIP(wr 15) beat Lin WANG (wr 8,seeded 7]15-21 26-24 21-19 wd 2)Jenny WALLWORk/Gabrielle WHITE(wr 28) beat Lena FRIER KRISTIANSEN/Kamilla RYTTER JUHL(wr 9,seeded 6) 21-12 21-8 3)Pan PAN/Qing TIAN(wr 18) beat Eei Hui CHIN/Pei Tty WONG(wr 1,seeded 2)21-16 21-9 xd 5)Devin Lahardi FITRIAWAN/Lita NURLITA(wr 25)Rasmus BONDE/Helle NIELSEN (wr 13)21-17 22-20 6)Sung Hyun KO/Jung Eun HA(wr 91)Sudket PRAPAKAMOL/Saralee THOUNGTHONGKAM (wr 10,seeded 8)21-18 21-12 7)Bo ZHENG/Jin MA(wr 48) Thomas LAYBOURN/Kamilla RYTTER JUHL(wr 5,seeded 5)16-21 21-12 21-18 8)landy LIMPELE/Anastasia RUSSKIKH(notional point at wr 30) Robert BLAIR/Imogen BANKIER(wr 7,seeded 7)26-24 21-19
will th create an upset today? i dont think so as his style of play nearly cost him in his match during the 1st and 2nd round respectively
why some pairings with wr of 1 are seeded 2 for this tourney? Also, what ever happened to the no.1 seeds in men's doubles? if im not mistaken, the no.1 seeds for md is kido / setiawan??
If Taufik beat PG, I don't think it's an upset.. coz their ranking is close, n they also have the same ability.
If you read the withdrawal thread, it was MK/Hendra withdrew cos Kido's knee not fully recovered yet. Ah ha Jutawin, you getting the hang of it. It'll be under "Others", Taufik = WR#7, PG WR#4, difference of 3 WR.
ok...world ranking change every thrusday........so those seeded might climb higher in world ranking....for other reason....like at the same time last year....u play in XYZ tournament...this year u didnt defend ur point....and no OTHER HIGHER world ranking point to subsitute...so...ur world ranking will drop...thats why wong/chin become world number 1...as opponent drop points....
Just an idea..which hopefully won't "Upset" a few members.. ..since a few have voiced their opinions on what is, maybe and what is not an "Upset", how about if we consider this idea. Yes, i've read the idea brought up by eaglehelang before. The idea is, if we want, we could set somekind of a reasonable barrier or gap in between those ranked players, since we don't know the "strength" of those ranked outside the top 10 or 20 or 30 (they could have somewhat equal/have relatively the same strength) and vice versa with those ranked in the top 10 (which we probably know their strength) : The criteria is: -Those players, currently ranked in the top 10 in the world, losing to those outside the top 10 could be considered as "Upset". Or to increase the gap, another option is.. -Those players ranked in the top 5 in the world losing to those outside the top 10 could be considered as "Upset". Here's the kicker. Now, if LinDan (WR #2) were to beat LCW (WR #1) in this AE (should they meet each other in the Final), would we call that an upset? Thus, in terms of the severity of an "Upset", maybe we can give it a grade: -Upset - WR#2 (top 10 or top 5)) losing to a WR#12 (outside top 10) or WR#2 losing to a WR#35 (outside top 10). -Mild Upset - WR#16 losing to a WR#29 (both outside top 10 in the world but with a bigger gap). -Minor Upset - WR#13 losing to a WR#16 or WR#2 losing to WR#8 (both within the group of 10).
Ctjcad, you're most welcome to compute the minor & major upsets & add in your own post. We got no time to do so many separate categories (unless our LImsy wants to take up the task, while he's free). And for sure, there'll be debating back & forth even with the criteria you propose. And again, if WR#2 beat WR#1 is under "others" means not upset. WR#5 beating WR#1 was considered upset before by members. Whether major or minor upset, there will be those who consider NOT an upset or if it's not listed, as an upset. Even unranked pairs beating seeded pairs (WR top 20) are not considered upsets by some as they're considered strong, esp China or Korea's experimental pairs. And it will go on and on and on..................
^^I knew you would be reading & would respond..^^ ..well, i think calling it just an "Upset"(whenever a lower ranked player/pair beats a higher ranked player/pair) is too broad and general. What is their reason(s) behind : "Even unranked pairs beating seeded pairs (WR top 20) are not considered upsets by some as they're considered strong, esp China or Korea's experimental pairs."?? Strong based on what?? Their more experienced compatriots?? What is their reason(s) behind : "And again, if WR#2 beat WR#1 is under "others" means not upset."? However, i would call this not an Upset but a Minor Upset : "WR#5 beating WR#1 was considered upset before by members." The WR is there for a purpose, no?? Shouldn't there be some sort of classification, don't you think?..
Well, their upset criteria is good enough as a quick shorthand to the unexpected. Anything more intricate,it will be longhand and that's not good. Details for details' sake is work lacking wisdom;of course that's from a minimum effort point of view. Ultimately, it's good to be standardised so that if up to it,the tournaments upset data could be analysed in many ways to predict future outcome in some ways.
