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Kelvin
03-20-2001, 02:50 AM
Hehehe... interesting topic, don't you think?
Actually this topic is about the strings themselves, as I'm trying to acquire more knowledge about them...

This is the first time that I've actually encountered anyone doing this, was earlier last night, at a local social club.

I asked the guy what he was doing to his strings... apparently, he was applying a layer of candle wax to his badminton strings... it's supposed to help coat the strings, so that they don't cut into each other as much, and help prolong the life of the strings.

I know the topic has been discussed in earlier discussions.. I think.
But do any of you actually practice this?
I'm giving it a try, to see if it actually makes any difference, but it could turn out to be as bad as sticking that yucky ink on my racquet strings the way I used to?
Who knows, at least it doesn't appear as messy right now.

Anywho... I also know that a few stringers practice something like this out there... Cooler, you said that you would run the string through wax, before you string sometimes?
How does this affect your client's strings?
Does it help in the stringing process, or help the client more with having slightly more durable strings?

Also... doesn't Yonex do something similar with the "hydrotitanium coating" around the BG 65ti, 68 ti, and now the 88ti???

What do you guys think about this?
Is it all a nice marketing ploy, following the Titanium craze, that we're all trapped in right now?
Or is there a benefit to have the Titanium on the strings?

Just want your opinions... and lastly to remind you of the topic question...
Do you wax your strings???
Or will you in the future after reading this?

I'm trying it just for the hell of it to see if there are any benefits.
Thanks for reading. :)

:) :( :o :D ;) :cool: :P :? :X

Magic
03-20-2001, 03:02 AM
waxing the strings?? Never heard of that! Just with the end of a candle?

Kelvin
03-20-2001, 03:18 AM
Just like that my friend.
Apparently this is supposed to coat the strings, like the factories coat them with some sort of plastic... and this will help to fill in the little grooves, near the string crosses, so that they don't cut each other apart from the high tension stringing.
I'm not sure if it really works, but if it's going to help prolong string life, I might as well hell give it a try, I mean everyone has candles in their house right?
Why not put them to a good use, while there's no black outs? hehehe :)

Marcel
03-20-2001, 03:23 AM
hehehe there'a point.

But do you do it before the stringing or afterwards (I'm not stringing myself so...) I can imagine that the shuttle might "stick" to the wax...... or.... you just hit off the wax!

Actually I had Toalson strings for a while and it had some sort of wax to it....(as I recall) but they broke very very fast!
I went back to the Yonex BG 70 pro and everything is fine.

Kelvin
03-20-2001, 03:29 AM
Apparently we're supposed to beat off th wax while we're playing.
No, the shuttle wont stick to it... I thought it might, but then I remembered that wax, is kind of slippery, so we should be okay there.

The guy told me to apply wax after all you're done playing for the night.
Kind of like how we wash our hands before we eat?
We can't just wash them once a life time, cause that's just nasty. lol.

Back to your problem with the strings... hmm...
I'm thinking it could have been the string type or brand...
As I can't imagine you would string to some crazy tension of 30lbs+
So actually a number of factors could have caused that.
I know someone who broke their strings tonight, because the strings were of a lower quality... and thus, when the person hit the shuttle at the wrong part of their strings, it just snapped, it right away.
I'm not surprised.

I'm sure string quality matters, just like our racquets as well, if they weren't designed well, then they wont play well either.
Of course, this is just my opinion.

Marcel
03-20-2001, 03:40 AM
over the night hmmm I'll try it to. Hé I even wash my hands often so... ;) ;) And that can be done with every string?

The guy who strings my rackets is sponsored by toalson so he has to string with that brand. I didn't like the string at all (it was strung at 9,5 Kg (??lbs) Like you said they broke at mishits. But with the Yonex I've no problem at all. (strung by the same guy, the string is provided by me ;))

Sure stringing quality is essential that's why I have my rackets strung by the Toalson guy. He plays competition at a high level (for dutch standards ;)) so he knows how to do it. My regular sportshop really flipped when I came with the request to string at 9,5 Kg!!! I didn't askes further! ;)

Kelvin
03-20-2001, 03:49 AM
hehehe... that's really smart of you to do that.
Some places think that the tension is too high... 9.5kg works out to roughly 20lbs here, so that isn't out of the question.
Yes, I've coated my strings with wax, it made a big mess... hehehe... :o
Try it over top a garbage bin, or on newspaper, so you don't get everything all messy.

Aren't you glad that you know people in high places of badminton? :)
Apparently with most strings, this waxing technique should help, but I imagine if it's a really bad string, then there's no way to save it anyway. :(

However, if people learned to play properly, and hit the shuttle in the center of the strings, then they wouldn't break the strings as much.

I think I've seen some people with such good stringing jobs, that they didn't break until, they actually took a knife to go cut them.
They just kept getting looser, and looser, and looser, until you can literally use it for a sling shot, and shoot something from it. hehehe... kind of like the old wooden badminton racquets from those backyard badminton sets.

Those strings never break!!!

Marcel
03-20-2001, 04:06 AM
It's always a advantage if you know someone on a higher level >:)

tonight it's my clubnight, so afterwards I'll start waxing my strings.
I'll let you know if it works out for me. (maybe the answer has to wait a few years! ;))

Good old wooden racquets...... ;')

Mag
03-20-2001, 04:12 AM
I have heard this before, but I thought it was to facilitate the stringing process itself, to decrease the risk of "nicking" the string when running it through the grommets. If you wax the strings before you play, wouldn't it just result in that they start to slide about? Like the Ti coated strings tend to do?

jayes
03-20-2001, 07:12 AM
Yes, I waxed my strings during my tournament days. Now, I no longer wax my strings.

richard
03-20-2001, 07:17 AM
Actually it's quite popular among the some Indonesia players. They wax the strings to prolong the string's life. In some places there are people who repair shuttle. Yes, they actually replace the broken feathers and use it again and again till it's all broken.

Marcel
03-20-2001, 07:32 AM
And what was the advantage?

jayes
03-20-2001, 09:07 AM
During my tournament days, I was using high tension and the tiniest string diameter there was. Also I seldom used the racquet sweet spot to hit the 'lil birdie. With these criteria, "rumor" has it that applying the wax would prolong the string. :-)

Nowadays, I string my racquet at a lower tension and using a larger string diameter than before. I just restring the racquet whenever the tension is not acceptable anymore (usually about 9 months or so) or broken.

Don
03-20-2001, 09:37 AM
I've talk to my stringer about that, and she says if you don't do it properly then you could do more harm than good. The plastic coating ont he strings are very sensitive to heat so weakening may occur. This is something I don't plan on doing. I say the more you play the more you have to replace you strings.

Kelvin
03-20-2001, 10:26 AM
The Ti strings slide the shuttle???
I didn't notice this!
Can you tell me what happened?
I would like to know more about this...
Thanks.

Kelvin
03-20-2001, 10:28 AM
Wow! they repair feather shuttles???
Doesn't this affect the quality of the shuttle's flight though?
Please do tell me more.
I'm sure it would save some money over here. ;)

Kelvin
03-20-2001, 10:30 AM
Wow, thanks for the tips Jayes.
I appreciate this coming from the more experienced knowledgeable crowd.
See you guys help me learn, I help you out, if I can. B)

Kelvin
03-20-2001, 10:31 AM
I see... but when I was talking about waxing the strings... I meant, just rubbling candle wax over it, not melting it...
Do you have any experience with this as well?

Mag
03-21-2001, 02:58 AM
No, no, the strings slide around more. Even though I use 25+ tension. BG80's, which I normally use, sure don't behave like that.

Kelvin
03-21-2001, 06:38 AM
Oh... hehehe... gotcha.
Hmm... I haven't noticed that with my strings though...
However, I can't site one reason for string movement on the face...
Poor stringing.

I believe if the string is at a constant tension, when being strung, the strings technically should stay at the same places... or is it the other way around?
Cooler? any suggestions, or insite on this matter?

cooler
03-21-2001, 11:28 PM
with waxing, your strings should move little bit more as mag have said. You dont notice it because it is also easier for the waxed strings to move back into place after the shuttle bounce off :P

Kelvin
03-22-2001, 02:56 AM
Ah, I see, ok Thanks. :)

Marcel
03-22-2001, 03:43 AM
doesn't the wax has to be underneath the strings?

Kelvin
03-22-2001, 06:29 AM
sorry, I meant both sides... :)
what a mess it makes though!
I'm wondering how it's supposed to come off!
I should ask the guy... perhaps we just beat the strings to death when hitting high clears?
I'll let you know...

marshall
03-23-2001, 12:11 PM
I tried this last year with six shuttles I picked up on the courts after play. All six had one feather broken but still attached, just dangling. I carefully glued the quill back on, using a small amount applied with a pin.
Two days later I tried them out. Three were wobbly and three weren't. The three good ones each lasted about half a game. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble unless you have a more reliable method.

catbear
09-02-2004, 12:13 AM
Ok, I read the poll about how long your string lasts. Some are overly long 6 month +, and some are overly short, less than 2 weeks.

I use BG65 at 22lb, and playing twice a week. My string lasts about 4-6 weeks. But I noticed that it can last a lot longer if I put some wax on it. Do you guys do it?

Regards,
CatBear

tranvi007
09-04-2004, 04:15 PM
I recently got an Armortec 800 OF, and the guy that restrung my racquet waxed my strings. The wax though isn't candle wax. It's a much softly wax. Like the kind some people put on there braces to help prevent cuts in their mouth. The wax is put on before stringing to help make it easier to slide the string into the gromet holes. And it also make it easier not to tangle the string, while the racquet is strung. And also when the racquet is strung, the wax will make the strings slide easier across each other and no friction to hold back some part of the string. This will make the tension more accurate and more spread out on to the racquet. Without the wax a bit of string may stick to a corner of a racquet and stick to another part of the string, and this friction will hold back the tension. But when it's release or doesn't stick no more, extra string will then be released, and the tension will decrease slightly.

other
09-04-2004, 05:04 PM
a stringer in china did this as well...but not everyone does.

unregistered
09-05-2004, 09:07 AM
preference.. some people like it slippery some like ti stiff.. its all about choice.

FlamingJam
09-05-2004, 04:08 PM
Had a word/question with some international players and they said that none of them hav ever waxed string some had neva ven heard of it one laughed at your little antedote about the candle wax. They say that no ones ever said anything and the companies don't promote it. :p

Dill
09-05-2004, 04:22 PM
I use natural strings not sinthetic so mine would turn to a lump of spaghetti before my eyes :eek:

bluejeff
09-05-2004, 04:45 PM
I do the opposite way, I use the fine sand paper to make the strings not so slippery. (Yeah, I string my own rackets, and Yeah, strings don't cost me much, and Yeah, that's why I don't care about the durability) :)

geelee
09-22-2004, 01:01 PM
I wax the string about once a week (play 2-3 times a week). It do help prolong the string life. Noticed the new generation of string like BG-65, BG-68, ti series, etc, they has the fibre inside the thin plastic tube.
Once the tube broken (the outer layer of string) due to friction of the strings, the inner part will expose and easier to cut.
Applying wax (or what i said rubbing a candle all over string), will fill the small cut that happen after each game.
Most pro player didn't do/know this coz they don't really care about the string, once it broken just throw the racquet to the "need to string" basket.
Another thing, when you "wax" your string, the excess wax that attached to the string will fell off and caused the court slippery. So if you wax the string, do some "hard hit" using worn birdie to prevent the wax drop in the court.

MicroLegend
12-14-2008, 01:22 AM
I just went to a shop to get my racquet strung with Ashaway ML (0.69mm).

I returned 2 hours later and hence did not watch the stringing process.



To my horror, when I got back my racquet,

The entire frame (and stringbed) was polluted with wax stains.

It looked really untidy and disgusting.



I had my racquet strung many times in a variety of places,

and this is the first time I have seen wax being used.



When I asked the stringer why wax was used,

She mentioned that it makes the string "more slippery".



I did a search about "wax" and this was the only post that appeared.

Is there affirmative evidence that wax benefits performance and durability at all?

Thank you.

taneepak
12-14-2008, 04:27 AM
Waxing may be acceptable in tennis but definitely not in badminton. Wax makes the shuttle/string interface slippery, robbing you of essential control. You want the string to grip the shuttlecock, not slip away from it.

MicroLegend
12-14-2008, 04:50 AM
Waxing may be acceptable in tennis but definitely not in badminton. Wax makes the shuttle/string interface slippery, robbing you of essential control. You want the string to grip the shuttlecock, not slip away from it.

Thank you for your input.

I've a question, why do some of the BC members write that wax increases the durability of strings?

Also, what about the theory that wax "stops the strings from cutting each other, especially at high tension?"

taneepak
12-14-2008, 04:57 AM
Thank you for your input.

I've a question, why do some of the BC members write that wax increases the durability of strings?

Also, what about the theory that wax "stops the strings from cutting each other, especially at high tension?"

Wax reduces friction between strings and therefore reduces wear and tear. It is walking on shoes with grease. Your shoes and the surface you walk on will have reduced wear and tear. But is this what you want?

MicroLegend
12-14-2008, 08:27 AM
Wax reduces friction between strings and therefore reduces wear and tear. It is walking on shoes with grease. Your shoes and the surface you walk on will have reduced wear and tear. But is this what you want?


Oh I see.

I will request stringing without wax in the future.

Thank you very much!

K4mu1
12-14-2008, 10:21 AM
I do wax my string. I have several experiment over them, when I was told by my father to do this. It does prolong my String's age, so far. (No "Wound" on the string). At the first time, I do it all wrong, simply moving the candle each other with the string. Result?!? Bad, screwed up hit, and I have to lose all the wax. But, after the wax was cleaned up, I noticed my racket getting so much better.

When string isn't wax, it tends to fail to return to their "best" position, they can't maintain it. Each strong hit, caused they're opening a big hole. Then, I used another way to wax it. Just several times (very little candle wax on the string), then using my hand to spread the wax up, like using both of my palm, moving all around the string bed. And make sure, there's no visible wax anymore. This way, the string will always back to the original place, since the wax is between the join of vertical and horizontal.

I do this in every bad joins, until all of them become good. I did feel something different of it. But, maybe anyone has better explanation about this xD? :D:D:D:D Since this is my experience, and my own best friend isn't agree about this. Yet, his string does last long too. So I won't say this is solving durability problem. And, I believe this is very case based.

Pete LSD
12-14-2008, 01:39 PM
That means your string was strung improperly or you hit at an angle.

I do wax my string. I have several experiment over them, when I was told by my father to do this. It does prolong my String's age, so far. (No "Wound" on the string). At the first time, I do it all wrong, simply moving the candle each other with the string. Result?!? Bad, screwed up hit, and I have to lose all the wax. But, after the wax was cleaned up, I noticed my racket getting so much better.

When string isn't wax, it tends to fail to return to their "best" position, they can't maintain it. Each strong hit, caused they're opening a big hole. Then, I used another way to wax it. Just several times (very little candle wax on the string), then using my hand to spread the wax up, like using both of my palm, moving all around the string bed. And make sure, there's no visible wax anymore. This way, the string will always back to the original place, since the wax is between the join of vertical and horizontal.

I do this in every bad joins, until all of them become good. I did feel something different of it. But, maybe anyone has better explanation about this xD? :D:D:D:D Since this is my experience, and my own best friend isn't agree about this. Yet, his string does last long too. So I won't say this is solving durability problem. And, I believe this is very case based.

K4mu1
12-14-2008, 09:16 PM
That means your string was strung improperly or you hit at an angle.

At an angle --a? I don't get it T_T... I never string my own racket, and... Well, I'm still at an intermediate level xD... So I haven't understand all the basics you experts have xD lol.

K4mu1
12-14-2008, 09:35 PM
Strings move, especially the mains, for different reasons. They can move because of low tensions, string coatings that are slippery, shots that are hit angularly even if strung at high tensions. A better and more objective way to test string movement is to pluck and move the middle mains with your finger. If they move easily then you have identified the problem. Strings that have moved and are easier to straighten back are very different from strings that have moved but are harder to straighten back, the former is poor the latter is much better and more grippy.


@PeteLSD
This is the comment of taneepak from the 4knot thread... I believe this is the hole I'm talking about. The horizontal string is moving around, and not coming back. So... It's better to let my string alone, and not waxing it? (Since it'll be more slippery?)

Now I'm confuse T_T...
Questions:

If they keep moving does it affect the sweet spot?

If they don't come back, is it possible to cause certain wound on the string?

If they are more grippy does it mean the string is in better quality?

I'm sorry, since I never did my own stringing job. Tq for the answer :D:D:D:D

taneepak
12-15-2008, 05:58 AM
@PeteLSD
This is the comment of taneepak from the 4knot thread... I believe this is the hole I'm talking about. The horizontal string is moving around, and not coming back. So... It's better to let my string alone, and not waxing it? (Since it'll be more slippery?)

Now I'm confuse T_T...
Questions:

If they keep moving does it affect the sweet spot?

If they don't come back, is it possible to cause certain wound on the string?

If they are more grippy does it mean the string is in better quality?

I'm sorry, since I never did my own stringing job. Tq for the answer :D:D:D:D

The sweet spot has nothing to do with string movement. The sweet spot is a point somewhere slightly above the center of the frame. You will know that your racquet's sweet spot is spot on when you can clear or smash with ease and power with almost no vibrations. But many racquets surprisingly do not have their sweet spot spot on.
When a string has moved, you should move it back. If you don't straighten the moved string you will lose playability and power.
Strings that are grippy are the best but it is very difficult to make such strings because it is hard to make the string surface with to have friction or grip. A grippy Yonex string would be BG85 and an even more grippy one is the Ashaway PG66 Neon. Both BG68Ti and NBG98 are slippery.

K4mu1
12-15-2008, 07:38 PM
Ahh... Sorry >.< Not so good in these theories... I thought Sweet Spot is affected by those stupid string movement... xD... But confirming, since I'm still young in this forum :D and when I was here first time can be called know nothing xD...

Is sweet spot is located at the center of the frame (+) <--- imagine those bracket as the frame, and sweet spot is located in the middle of the plus ?

If my string was slippery, isn't it easier to control ? but reducing my power ?

Sorry for the poor word choices xD... I'm not an expert who faced so many things like you guys :D Tq for the explanation xD...

modious
12-15-2008, 08:26 PM
A grippy Yonex string would be BG85 and an even more grippy one is the Ashaway PG66 Neon. Both BG68Ti and NBG98 are slippery.

I thought BG88Ti was extremely grippy as well. I wonder why it isn't popular though.

taneepak
12-15-2008, 09:34 PM
Ahh... Sorry >.< Not so good in these theories... I thought Sweet Spot is affected by those stupid string movement... xD... But confirming, since I'm still young in this forum :D and when I was here first time can be called know nothing xD...

Is sweet spot is located at the center of the frame (+) <--- imagine those bracket as the frame, and sweet spot is located in the middle of the plus ?

If my string was slippery, isn't it easier to control ? but reducing my power ?

Sorry for the poor word choices xD... I'm not an expert who faced so many things like you guys :D Tq for the explanation xD...

The sweet spot is actually a point that is best located somewhere in the middle of the frame or slightly above it. Because a badminton racquet is unlike a tennis racquet or a cricket bat, the latter do not flex or bend at the shaft because they don't have a shaft, its sweet spot location is more difficult to optimize. There is no guarantee that a new badminton racquet has its sweet spot optimized, as seen by owners who use leadtape to change the location of the sweet spot for more effortless power. If your racquet can hit a clear with effortless power and with no stress or vibrations then you have probably got the sweet spot right.
Contrary to what many seem to believe, an iso frame does not enlarge the sweet spot, because the sweet spot is not an area but a point. An iso frame feels like it has a bigger "sweet spot" because it has a bigger stringbed and the shots hit are at locations that are bouncy. Remember, almost the whole area of the stringbed with the exception of the area at the tip is bouncy. But it doesn't mean the bouncy areas deliver the most powerful shots, especially in areas that are too far away from the tip.
Slipper strings are not as good in control as grippy strings, because at impact with the shuttle cork the strings that come into contact do not have a good grip on the kid leather surface of the cork of the shuttle.

K4mu1
12-16-2008, 12:47 AM
Ahhh... I see, so I was having a misconception xD... Well, thanks for the answer.

Anyway how bout the question of modious, and NBG98 is also very popular. (I myself using BG68Ti). And just imagining this part about

Slipper strings are not as good in control as grippy strings, because at impact with the shuttle cork the strings that come into contact do not have a good grip on the kid leather surface of the cork of the shuttle.


I imagine this way, the shuttle would be slower :confused: since they're gripped on the string bed. While using the slipper strings, they will easier to slide, and the speed loss is negated :confused: ?

taneepak
12-16-2008, 01:26 AM
Ahhh... I see, so I was having a misconception xD... Well, thanks for the answer.

Anyway how bout the question of modious, and NBG98 is also very popular. (I myself using BG68Ti). And just imagining this part about


I imagine this way, the shuttle would be slower :confused: since they're gripped on the string bed. While using the slipper strings, they will easier to slide, and the speed loss is negated :confused: ?

It is difficult for me to answer all your questions on strings. Strings, like racquets, are subject to personal preferences.
You can try to visualize the interface between the strings and the shuttlecock by imaginging the enlarged "footprint" the strings make on the shuttle. The strings are round or almost round, but at impact they flatten. How flat or evenly flat they flatten determines control and also power. If your strings are more round, meaning their footprint is smaller and less even then the shuttle will not go in one co-ordinated direction. Visualize walking barefoot on strings the size of one inch rope, with each rope having say a hundred filaments inside. If you have 6 such ropes lined together you can walk on them. Upon contact with your feet the ropes will flatten to give you a more comfortable feel and some springiness. If you can get another set of 6 ropes of the same diameter and same material but with 3,000 filaments inside, the feel of your walk will be even more comfortable and your feet will have a larger "footprint".

K4mu1
12-16-2008, 01:58 AM
It is difficult for me to answer all your questions on strings. Strings, like racquets, are subject to personal preferences.
You can try to visualize the interface between the strings and the shuttlecock by imaginging the enlarged "footprint" the strings make on the shuttle. The strings are round or almost round, but at impact they flatten. How flat or evenly flat they flatten determines control and also power. If your strings are more round, meaning their footprint is smaller and less even then the shuttle will not go in one co-ordinated direction. Visualize walking barefoot on strings the size of one inch rope, with each rope having say a hundred filaments inside. If you have 6 such ropes lined together you can walk on them. Upon contact with your feet the ropes will flatten to give you a more comfortable feel and some springiness. If you can get another set of 6 ropes of the same diameter and same material but with 3,000 filaments inside, the feel of your walk will be even more comfortable and your feet will have a larger "footprint".

Yes... sorry for making a personal opinion xD...

Back to the filaments xD... If I we're to land above those filaments, I will get slower... And being launched from them (Since we all believe that we're using trampoline effect on string beds theory) more slippery surface should provide a better speed compared to surface with better grip (in this case filaments). Since the friction from the string bed (returning to normal condition) would slow the shuttlecock down. That's from my view xD...

I won't say very slippery one would be wonderful, since... It will be very hard to hit it on time. Just like high tensions. It will be too fast, since the shuttlecock is not having a friction, which is also important. So, my opinion is, waxing our string is another preference. I use BG68Ti... And I like the slippery part of it (I believe it's getting rough by dust in Indonesia xD). And I have to clean it out and wax it so that it'll be back to slippery condition.

Or perhaps my theory is wrong :confused:

taneepak
12-16-2008, 03:39 AM
Yes... sorry for making a personal opinion xD...

Back to the filaments xD... If I we're to land above those filaments, I will get slower... And being launched from them (Since we all believe that we're using trampoline effect on string beds theory) more slippery surface should provide a better speed compared to surface with better grip (in this case filaments). Since the friction from the string bed (returning to normal condition) would slow the shuttlecock down. That's from my view xD...

I won't say very slippery one would be wonderful, since... It will be very hard to hit it on time. Just like high tensions. It will be too fast, since the shuttlecock is not having a friction, which is also important. So, my opinion is, waxing our string is another preference. I use BG68Ti... And I like the slippery part of it (I believe it's getting rough by dust in Indonesia xD). And I have to clean it out and wax it so that it'll be back to slippery condition.

Or perhaps my theory is wrong :confused:

In my opinion your theory is wrong, but if you prefer slippery string then you should do what you like.
About 4 months ago, I landed on a recently waxed floor after a jump smash and slipped, injuring my right knee. This is one intance a slippery thing doesn't work for me.
I am sure in Indonesia you may come across certain extremely high humidity conditions that leave a film of water on the court surface. I challenge you to play on such a surface.

BadFever
12-16-2008, 04:25 PM
Both BG68Ti and NBG98 are slippery.

In my opinion your theory is wrong, but if you prefer slippery string then you should do what you like.
About 4 months ago, I landed on a recently waxed floor after a jump smash and slipped, injuring my right knee. This is one intance a slippery thing doesn't work for me.
I am sure in Indonesia you may come across certain extremely high humidity conditions that leave a film of water on the court surface. I challenge you to play on such a surface.
Instead of daring someone to play on a dangerous situation, why not explain why Yonex still manutacture slippery strings as you stated above. So Yonex is wrong then. If not, K4mu1 is not wrong for stating his preference on string. ;)

K4mu1
12-16-2008, 10:13 PM
In my opinion your theory is wrong, but if you prefer slippery string then you should do what you like.
About 4 months ago, I landed on a recently waxed floor after a jump smash and slipped, injuring my right knee. This is one intance a slippery thing doesn't work for me.
I am sure in Indonesia you may come across certain extremely high humidity conditions that leave a film of water on the court surface. I challenge you to play on such a surface.

That's what I mean :), in slippery floor, we can't stop right. It's because we got no friction. Friction is something that actually is holding us on our ground, stopping our car from crashing. Friction is slowing us down, and helping us to grip. Meanwhile, if we slide the cock, in theory it should run faster than it should. If we can control this, we can use less energy, conduct shot faster, but not sure about the power. The calculation about this is really really complicating. It's my opinion up there :). I'll fix it so it would be clearer.

K4mu1
12-16-2008, 10:19 PM
Yes... sorry for making a personal opinion xD...

Back to the filaments xD... If I we're to land above those filaments, I will get slower... And being launched from them (Since we all believe that we're using trampoline effect on string beds theory) more slippery surface should provide a better speed compared to surface with better grip (in this case filaments). Since the friction from the string bed (returning to normal condition) would slow the shuttlecock down. That's from my view xD...

I won't say very slippery one would be wonderful, since... It will be very hard to hit it on time. Just like high tensions. It will be too fast, since the shuttlecock is not having a friction, which is also important. So, my opinion is, waxing our string is another preference. I use BG68Ti... And I like the slippery part of it (I believe it's getting rough by dust in Indonesia xD). And I have to clean it out and wax it so that it'll be back to slippery condition.

Or perhaps my theory is wrong :confused:

No Longer Editable -_-x... I guess that's all the important points.

taneepak
12-17-2008, 01:54 AM
K4mu1, if you have a slippery surface, of course you will slip and fall very fast. But we are not trying to find out what type of surface makes people fall all over the floor faster. You have taken a wrong turn. The objective is to jump up as high as you can, and floors which are not slippery are better. Slippery floor is the winner if you want to fall all over the place, but you will not be able to jump even 1 foot on a slippery floor. Hitting a shuttle is having two objects collide, not to slide off from each other.

K4mu1
12-17-2008, 05:42 AM
Yes.. that's also true. Well... let's fix my view. How do we call something slippery? If we're using a certain footwear, with bad bad bad outsole, we're definitely going to slide even in a good floor. Instead an outsole with a good grip will be fine. So slippery is also preference. I'm not saying a very slippery String will be wonderful.

Let's treat the outsole as the surface of the cock, and the floor as the string bed, we'll be concluding, the point of how good a grip is and how bad a slide is, is based on the cock we're playing with.

Surface of cock will have certain texture, this texture will provide a good grip. This is why, I'm saying that waxing is another preference, because some people might like the slipper surface (wax is not so slippery, actually they also provide certain different gripping feeling) rather than the gripper surface.

My point is, wax will also slightly increases durability due to their more slipper surface, and they're acting as the damper between the main and the crosses. The feeling is different based on the amount of wax applied. They're just like oil to the engine. Giving certain level of protection. But, not everyone will enjoy the effect, so if you're waxing your string, you will have to do it right, in a right amount, and if you dislike it, you will have to know how to clean them away.

This is my opinion xD.

taneepak
12-17-2008, 08:09 AM
Yes.. that's also true. Well... let's fix my view. How do we call something slippery? If we're using a certain footwear, with bad bad bad outsole, we're definitely going to slide even in a good floor. Instead an outsole with a good grip will be fine. So slippery is also preference. I'm not saying a very slippery String will be wonderful.

Let's treat the outsole as the surface of the cock, and the floor as the string bed, we'll be concluding, the point of how good a grip is and how bad a slide is, is based on the cock we're playing with.

Surface of cock will have certain texture, this texture will provide a good grip. This is why, I'm saying that waxing is another preference, because some people might like the slipper surface (wax is not so slippery, actually they also provide certain different gripping feeling) rather than the gripper surface.

My point is, wax will also slightly increases durability due to their more slipper surface, and they're acting as the damper between the main and the crosses. The feeling is different based on the amount of wax applied. They're just like oil to the engine. Giving certain level of protection. But, not everyone will enjoy the effect, so if you're waxing your string, you will have to do it right, in a right amount, and if you dislike it, you will have to know how to clean them away.

This is my opinion xD.

Yes, you are absolutely right in saying waxing strings will prolong their life. As a matter of fact, strings may even last more than a year. This is ok if this is what you are looking for. As for me, I like strings to have grip for control purposes, and wear and tear is of no concern to me. As a matter of fact, I almost never wait for my strings to wear out, because I cut them and restring with new ones at least once every 2 months. To me strings that are two months old have lost too much of their playability.
I recently strung (just three weeks) an NBG98 at 29/31lbs and I am ready to call it a day and switch over to a new ML67 string (5,000 microfilaments), because I have a similar racquet strung with this new thin ML string that plays better and for longer.

K4mu1
12-17-2008, 09:33 AM
Well... No >.< I'm not after the durability, It's just another benefit point xD... I just like the way BG68Ti going with the wax. It feels... Nice (For me). Well it's everyone preference right xD. Just reading this article through, and lots of people is saying different opinion about this xD. And since I do this thing, I provide my own argument.

Anyway, it's an honor to debate with you Master taneepak xD. Thanks for your opinion, it provide me another view xD. And... why did you cut the string after 2 mths anyway...:confused:?

taneepak
12-17-2008, 09:32 PM
Well... No >.< I'm not after the durability, It's just another benefit point xD... I just like the way BG68Ti going with the wax. It feels... Nice (For me). Well it's everyone preference right xD. Just reading this article through, and lots of people is saying different opinion about this xD. And since I do this thing, I provide my own argument.

Anyway, it's an honor to debate with you Master taneepak xD. Thanks for your opinion, it provide me another view xD. And... why did you cut the string after 2 mths anyway...:confused:?

Ideally, one should restring after every two to three weeks. This is because overtime stretching of the strings from so many hours of play does funny things to their elasticity. You may want to try to test the elasticity of your BG68Ti. Just get a new 12" piece of BG68Ti, stretch it to 12.25" and leave it for a few weeks, after that release the stretched string and re-measure its length. It will be longer than 12". Have you noticed the difference in the ride comfort of a car with new suspension versus one that has drive 200,000 miles with the same suspension? Strings and car suspensions have something in common.
Now, just imagine your BG68Ti probably has about 100 multifilaments whereas another string of similar diameter has 4,000 to 5,000 microfilaments. Which string will lose elasticity faster? Micro means finer, multi less so.

K4mu1
12-18-2008, 08:25 AM
Welll... my BG68Ti is not even reaching 2mths old xD... The Arc10 is a gift, and it's about nearly 2 months old. So does the string, it's about. I forgot the date, and since I'm sending the racket to my hometown, can't peek the date xD...

Well... about the filaments now. I know about those theory. But, the length is based upon the length. There's even some way to calculate that, which I'm not interested xD... since I'm not really into physics T_T... I'm from IT xD... Only have the logic. And I know, if they're getting too long already, they're going to lose tension fast. It's based on the materials used too. Certain materials are going to hold out long. I believe dinkalot has reviewed a lot of those string. I forgot BG68Ti is categorized as losing tension fast or not. One thing for sure, he don't like the feeling :rolleyes:...

Well, that explains the 2 months time. But, actually how fast are they losing tension? (I'm pretty confident my string will be "dead" already before the time). I heard there's someone testing string "tension hold" in this forum, and I haven't reading bout those again xD...